Lorne: My little prince. Oh…what did they do to you? Angel: Nina…tried to…eat me. Lorne: Oh, you're--medic! You're gonna make it Angel. Just don't stop fighting. Doctor! Is there a Gepetto in the house?

'Smile Time'


The Minearverse 5: Closer to the Earth, Further from the Ax  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls, The Inside and Drive), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


NoiseDesign - May 08, 2007 2:53:12 pm PDT #6583 of 10001
Our wings are not tired

I think it's going to hit a point where advertisers quit paying for ad time, at which point cable companies will just directly charge us for everything. I'm expecting us to move towards a pay per view model for everything at the rate things are gooing.


Vortex - May 08, 2007 3:16:24 pm PDT #6584 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

well, at least then we only pay for what we watch.


§ ita § - May 08, 2007 3:31:45 pm PDT #6585 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Yeah, but up until now the advertisers had been shouldering some of that cost. It may be startling to find out how much it costs when we're the sole payer.


Burrell - May 08, 2007 3:38:16 pm PDT #6586 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

I think it's going to hit a point where advertisers quit paying for ad time, at which point cable companies will just directly charge us for everything. I'm expecting us to move towards a pay per view model for everything at the rate things are gooing.

I seriously doubt that we are approaching the end of tv advertising. But I do think it's going to change, more corporate sponsorship, more product placement. I've also heard arguments that DVRs will enable advertisers to target the audience more closely, airing one set of commercials in one zip code and a different set in another.


NoiseDesign - May 08, 2007 3:38:50 pm PDT #6587 of 10001
Our wings are not tired

That is precisely it. Special effects and all those cast members don't come cheap. Even worse, what if the shows are priced according to how many people tune in/download. All of our lovely little genre shows will cost me per episode to watch. We're not talking cost like $1 an episode, I'd say it would be much higher. Even if it were only $5 an episode, if you watch 10 episodes in a week, that's $200 a month in television viewing.


libkitty - May 08, 2007 3:46:26 pm PDT #6588 of 10001
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

I'm pretty confident in big business's ability to use tv to get their products in front of us, even if the method changes. I think that they're going to go product placement with a lot more, and probably come up with other creative ways to sell.


Vortex - May 08, 2007 3:51:55 pm PDT #6589 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

wow, that's a sobering thought. I mean, it's more like movies, I guess.


Burrell - May 08, 2007 3:52:55 pm PDT #6590 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

I think right now we're in a transitional phase, advertisers and execs are a little leery of the new technology. Once they figure out how to use DVRs to their advantage, they'll sing a new tune.


NoiseDesign - May 08, 2007 3:56:45 pm PDT #6591 of 10001
Our wings are not tired

Yeah, it's definitely a changing field. I do think we are going to see more and more shows where products are written into the shows and placed with advertising planned. It's a pretty big gulf that needs to be crossed here with the advertising dollars that are being lost. Right now DVR's have about 25% penetration into homes and networks are feeling the pinch. Predictions are for 50% penetration by 2010 and that's when things are going to start to squeeze the networks.


Vortex - May 08, 2007 4:07:07 pm PDT #6592 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I thought that it was higher than that. I was listening to NPR tonight, and they were talking about the FF button thing, and I think they menitoned a higher number,I remember being surprised