but I can't think of a lot of spring debut shows that have succeeded

Can you think of a lot of spring debut shows? It's another weird concept of Fox's, this all-year programming. Certainly a lot of summer shows have become hits. OC for example.

It's possible that this isn't the first time the race has been run.

A season could be a leg of the race, as well, it could take six months or a year to run it, it could take place every two years, whatever.

Because it's Tim, it's okay to invest in it if it grabs you, because he won't Abrams himself into a corner, leading to lame.

It's possible that this isn't the first time the race has been run.

Well, it's not only possible but true, right? The promos say it's been going on for years.

A season could be a leg of the race, as well, it could take six months or a year to run it, it could take place every two years, whatever.

Oh yeah, I can see them all at the end of the season thinking whoever has won, and then the assholes saying "OK now.." But really, the race isn't the point, is it? Isn't it really what happens when you need the money/your wife/something to make your miserable life worth something?

I could give a fuck about the premise. Tell me a good story and I'm happy.

I could give a fuck about the premise. Tell me a good story and I'm happy.

I don't think the two are entirely unrelated. Hard to tell a good story without a good in-point.

Really? Cause I think the premise could be as far out there as anything, but if you do it well, I'm there.

I'd have never thought I'd watch a story about a fucked up guy who's clawing his way to the top, sleeps in a box, is generally an ass, but I'm so madly in love with Profit, I'm beside myself.

It's possible that this isn't the first time the race has been run.

Right. They hold the The Kentucky Derby year. Why not the illegal race that is the premise of Fox's hit series Drive? I can think of other ways around it too, but won't bother: there's this guy, forget his name - Jim Miner or something. Rumor is he's involved with the show, and is pretty good at this sort of thing,

I have a completely over developed suspension of disbelief. I'll buy any premise if the story is engaging.

Reality on the other hand, like that show with that Sanjaya dude. I totally reject as unrealistic and beyond fake.

and of course, who says that the race ends at the end of Season 1?

Tim said the other day in the Reuters article the race doesn't end during the first season (meaning 13 episodes, they say, rather than the 6 episode first season we have now).

Here's the thing: who's to say there's only one race at one time? Couldn't there be multiple races with directly conflicting goals (to get to the finish lines)? Which sets the characters up against each other for personal reasons?

There's a lot of running with the premise, because it's so broad. I can think of a lot of things you can do with it. And if it gets boring, you can shake it up any time you want. As long as the writers don't box themselves into a hatch corner it's all good.

FOX is going all out, then (from last night's LA thing): [link] [link] [link]