My understanding (and people in the know, rush in and blast me away, if needed) is that the promos weren't cut from episodes, so much as written as promos.

This.

The first thing that Allyson said in response to Juliebird not being sold by the promo was that it was representative of the series.

Hence my asking was it representative in style, content or both.

more often I'm running across what amounts to a death knell for a show that hasn't even finished producing its first episode. Some may read that as being defensive in light of my connection to Kristen and the fact that I've taken over Tim's site, but really, frankly, I just think such talk is premature, at best.

Does that mean people can't say it? Not at all. Fox has peed in enough people's Cheerios that I understand the apprehension.

Yeah. I feel this, too. As if Tim + Great Show + Fox = early cancellation. I'd rather read discussion on the work (hell, even the promo criticism doesn't bother me since it's just a promo), rather than see people assuming Fox execs are just yanking our chains again just when we get attached to another tv show.

I'm still confused here, to be honest. Just because Allyson says a promo is representative of the series doesn't mean that Tim and Kristen made it.

The current promo, I am not sure if the voiceover announcement guy was written in-house. I don't think so.

The rest of the promos were written in-house. They're monologues.

Until you said that Tim and Kristen made the promo (which I'm still not sure is what you actually meant?), there was no reason to think that.

Okay, let me try again.

1. The promo is representative of the series--if you don't like the one, you will probably not like the other (Allyson, paraphrased)

2. The writing team wrote the promos specifically, instead of providing raw material in episodes that was cut together to make them. [eta: Allyson says no, but my point still stands as long as the promos are representative]

I am not trying to squelch criticism of the writing team's work. What I am saying is that if you don't like the promo, blame them too. Whoever you blame, they did a representative job.

It's very common to separate the promos from the shows, and criticise the network promo monkeys that put them together. In this situation it seems the monkeys did their jobs right. So criticism of the promo is criticism of the show and the work of the show's creative team.

No scapegoats, no crazy network execs. The show's creative team.

That's the point I was beating to death.

OK, I want to take this to bureau.

Will follow.

ETA: I'm sorry if I caused a problem with what is obviously my own personal issues.

The current promo, I am not sure if the voiceover announcement guy was written in-house. I don't think so.

I doubt it was, given that it was the Voice of the Network: "Fox brings you a revolutionary new series," etc.

The rest of the promos were written in-house. They're monologues.

Okay, awesome. I look forward to those.

So criticism of the promo is criticism of the show and the work of the show's creative team.

All right, I think I get what you're saying.

As if Tim + Great Show + Fox = early cancellation.

Ah, see, I've been taking that as a joke. Like Lucy and the football.

Lots of well written intelligent shows have long runs. Well a few... M*A*S*H at least.

eta: but M*A*S*H wasn't on Fox.