The owners of music are the same ones who won't let their lyrics be published on the web, never mind how you might feel about the RIAA shenanigans.
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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
§ ita § - May 05, 2006 12:01:54 pm PDT #5634 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Trudy Booth - May 05, 2006 12:06:17 pm PDT #5635 of 10002
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The owners of music are the same ones who won't let their lyrics be published on the web, never mind how you might feel about the RIAA shenanigans.
Well that makes sense. It competes with the owners financial interests -- they want to sell the songs themselves, not have them down-loaded and carried around on i-Pods without getting a cut.
No one is carrying around their DVD player in order to listen to the music from TV episodes. Rather, if a customer likes the music enough they're going to track it down and buy it.
§ ita § - May 05, 2006 12:07:37 pm PDT #5636 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
It competes with their financial interests -- they want to sell the songs themselves, not have them down-loaded and carried around on i-Pods without getting a cut.
The only connection I've found between finding lyrics online and putting songs on my iPod is when reading the lyrics made me buy them.
Cass - May 05, 2006 12:10:08 pm PDT #5637 of 10002
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Trudy Booth - May 05, 2006 12:10:58 pm PDT #5638 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
The only connection I've found between finding lyrics online and putting songs on my iPod is when reading the lyrics made me buy them.
Ah, I mis-read you.
Well that's stupid too. Unless its being used in some defamatory sense in either venue its only going to be positive (or have no effect at all). They should by all means protect their rights, but it would behoove them to come up with an easy contract for the new mediums.
bon bon - May 05, 2006 12:14:06 pm PDT #5639 of 10002
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I don't think the lyrics sites are seeking to pay for their content in any case; they're just using it either to sell advertising or install something on your computer.
Gudanov - May 05, 2006 12:14:56 pm PDT #5640 of 10002
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The lyrics thing mystifies me, I don't see where they are losing anything there.
Now the DVDs make sense, you have the rights to music being used and you want to get as big a cut as you can. You don't want to take a smaller cut for a particular DVD release because that undermines your position for other deals, so maybe some deals don't get made. I doubt they are worried about the five people who are going to rip the ac3 stream, translate to mp3, and edit out the music.
§ ita § - May 05, 2006 12:15:24 pm PDT #5641 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I can see how they might not want to be associated with certain shows and/or plot events. But, basically a dumb idea.
As for the lyrics thing, apparently they go after those all-lyric sites, whose worst context is the amount of popups. Other than that, a place where fans go.
DavidS - May 05, 2006 12:16:06 pm PDT #5642 of 10002
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it would seem sensible zeitgiest-wise for the owners of the old music to make it accessable in this way. A DVD isn't going to cut into their record sales and may even encourage some.
I think the feeling of the music owners is that they have incredible leverage and they want to exploit it. It's probably worth more to them to wring the money from the TV producers than use the DVDs as a marketing tool.
I love the use of Styx's "Come Sail Away" in Freaks and Geeks, but it didn't make me want to go buy a Styx album. F&G is another show that had to fight hard to get all the music on the DVDs, and that delayed the set for a long time.
Jessica - May 05, 2006 12:17:14 pm PDT #5643 of 10002
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In most cases, legality is not the issue with music rights, just price. Record companies charge exhorbitantly high rates for home video rights (because they can), and anything the studios have to pay for cuts into their profit margins on DVD sales. So if you're releasing Friends, and expect to sell 12 bazillion box sets, it's worth it to buy the music rights. If you're releasing Mid-80's Cult Hit #7 and expect to only sell 2 or 3 bazillion, it's probably not.
As long as both sides are still making money on the transactions that do take place (and they clearly are), there's no incentive for either one to change their business model.