I think that they had a bit of trouble quantifying this one. Murder is the deliberate taking of one person's life by another. there is no contemplation of the victim being willing. I think that they charged him with manslaughter because they felt that they had to give him a break because the guy wanted it.
I'd rather stay home and watch television. It's often funnier than killing stuff.
Anya ,'Dirty Girls'
Natter .44 Magnum: Do You Feel Chatty, Punk?
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Vortex - May 03, 2006 9:38:43 am PDT #5176 of 10002
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
§ ita § - May 03, 2006 9:43:57 am PDT #5177 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I think that they charged him with manslaughter because they felt that they had to give him a break because the guy wanted it.
But why only part of a break? I feel very binary about this--either it's okay to kill someone willing, or it's really not.
Do you think in the US he'd have had an insanity plea?
(Bear in mind, I think nothing's wrong with cannibalism. It's killing people that's wrong)
bon bon - May 03, 2006 9:46:33 am PDT #5178 of 10002
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.
How do you only get 8 years for murder? Or, more appropriately, why is it manslaughter? I think if the guy wanted to be killed, it wasn't a crime. And if he didn't, it was murder.
But why only part of a break? I feel very binary about this--either it's okay to kill someone willing, or it's really not.
This may be an obvious point, but the civil law system often operates off of very different legal intuitions than the Anglo-American one. The intent of the victim wouldn't matter as much here but could matter more there.
Do you think in the US he'd have had an insanity plea?
He would have tried, but my guess is that it wouldn't succeed.
Theodosia - May 03, 2006 9:47:42 am PDT #5179 of 10002
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"
Is Butanol another name for Methanol? I was just listening to a recent Science Friday NPR show talking about the possibilities in that.
§ ita § - May 03, 2006 9:49:20 am PDT #5180 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
my guess is that it wouldn't succeed.
To my obviously unschooled eyes, he sounds like he's crazy by American standards. Isn't it about not being able to recognise what you're doing is wrong? Or is that Law & Order boiling it down and losing the nuance?
Steph L. - May 03, 2006 9:50:24 am PDT #5181 of 10002
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine
Or is that Law & Order boiling it down and losing the nuance?
Is Jesse Martin involved? Because if so, I already forgot the question.
§ ita § - May 03, 2006 9:51:22 am PDT #5182 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Is Butanol another name for Methanol?
No. It has 4 carbon atoms per molecule, whereas methanol has one.
Methanol, ethanol, propanol, butanol...
Gudanov - May 03, 2006 9:53:37 am PDT #5183 of 10002
Coding and Sleeping
Is Butanol another name for Methanol?
No, methanol is CH3OH and butanol is C4H10O. Also, I'm pretty sure you need to modify a gasoline engine to use Methanol, but butanol can used without modification. I listened to that same SciFri segment.
Vortex - May 03, 2006 9:53:51 am PDT #5184 of 10002
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
But why only part of a break? I feel very binary about this--either it's okay to kill someone willing, or it's really not.
I see your point. But, I doubt that anyone ever really thought about it. I suppose that a corollary would be a failed suicide pact (i.e. where two people are supposed to shoot each other and one misses)
Do you think in the US he'd have had an insanity plea?
no, because legal insanity is not knowing the difference between right and wrong, not that I knew it was wrong, but I did it anyway because _____ .
(Bear in mind, I think nothing's wrong with cannibalism. It's killing people that's wrong)
heh.
Jessica - May 03, 2006 9:56:11 am PDT #5185 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
no, because legal insanity is not knowing the difference between right and wrong, not that I knew it was wrong, but I did it anyway because _____ .
I don't get the impression that this guy thinks killing people and eating them is wrong, though.