Angel: Will you just shut up for once?! Illyria: What? Angel: My God, the speechifying. Has it ever occurred to you that now might not be the best time for when-we-were-muck stories?

'Time Bomb'


Natter 43: I Love My Dead Gay Whale Crosspost.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


P.M. Marc - Apr 07, 2006 7:16:00 am PDT #9445 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Oh, Plei, the mattresses are good? That's an enormous relief to me, as what the boy is going to IKEA for is a new mattress.

The high-end foam ones seem to be. I asked some friends of the family, who've had their mattress for five years, and they're pretty happy with it. That tipped me over into IKEA for when we upsized.

After the disaster that was our last (Serta and not cheap) mattress, I swore off anything with springs.


P.M. Marc - Apr 07, 2006 7:17:14 am PDT #9446 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Why do we make stuff that is crappy now? Why can't we make stuff that is good? It sucks to make stuff that is crappy.

Rising cost of materials.


Jesse - Apr 07, 2006 7:18:01 am PDT #9447 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Good, good. We figured that even if it didn't last that long, the IKEA was so much cheaper than Serta etc. that it would be OK.

I increasingly realize how much I lucked out with my mattress and boxspring. I bought them used, but in pristine condition (lucky thing #1 -- what was I thinking??). Only $100 and they're still great, seven or eight years later.


Liese S. - Apr 07, 2006 7:18:53 am PDT #9448 of 10001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Why do materials cost more? Why do things cost more? Aren't we theoretically getting more efficient at making things, what with all the industrial age automation and cheap out of country labor and such?

eta: Oh, me too, about the mattress, which was another thrift store find. $1800 mattress for $50, and it really was in great shape. There's somebody wealthy who donates to this thrift store, evidently, because they periodically have great finds like this.


Jessica - Apr 07, 2006 7:19:40 am PDT #9449 of 10001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

There are a few small furniture places near me that make really good, solid, classic stuff. Unfortunately, they charge really good, solid, classic prices too. I wouldn't call any of it overpriced, just out of my range at the moment.


P.M. Marc - Apr 07, 2006 7:20:01 am PDT #9450 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

We figured that even if it didn't last that long, the IKEA was so much cheaper than Serta etc. that it would be OK.

Yeah, that was my logic. The Serta, which cost more than double the IKEA mattress price, fell apart in about four years. If I get four or five years out of this one, I'll feel it's paid for itself.


Amy - Apr 07, 2006 7:20:54 am PDT #9451 of 10001
Because books.

The best furniture we have would be considered "antiques", but it's really just hand-me-downs, solid woods and sturdy frames.

Same here. We got my grandmother's bedroom set last year, circa 1935ish, and while it needs a little surface work (scratches, etc.) it's solid mahogany. I couldn't afford new stuff like it even if I sold a kidney or two.

We had a Sauer computer desk (I think it was Sauer) that we bought specifically because it was supposed to hold the oversized monitor, and within months the whole thing had buckled under the weight, so that the cabinet doors and drawers wouldn't shut properly. Total crap.


Nutty - Apr 07, 2006 7:21:18 am PDT #9452 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Also, a preference for price over long-term investment. The prevailing myth seems to be that you'll renovate your whole house every 5 yeras anyway, and buy all new stuff! (I don't know anybody who actually does this, FTR.)

My chair is the Poang one. Good to hear a testimonial.

In other news:

A well-known novelist whose name is often accompanied by the word controversial, [vladimir] Sorokin was the subject of official government censure and organized right-wing protest a few years ago after the publication of a book that translates either as "Gay Lard" or "Blue Lard," and that depicts Stalin and Khrushchev getting it on. Mr. Sorokin is often called avant-garde, but he also sounds like a hoot.

Plei! The politician man-love is gaining a following!! Stalin is no Henry Kissinger, but, it's a start.

(That's Manohla Dargis, in the Times, BTW.)


Jessica - Apr 07, 2006 7:21:32 am PDT #9453 of 10001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

Rising cost of materials.

And from a retailer POV, it's much better for them to sell me a crappy bookcase every year than to sell me a really good bookcase once.


P.M. Marc - Apr 07, 2006 7:22:41 am PDT #9454 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Why do materials cost more? Why do things cost more? Aren't we theoretically getting more efficient at making things, what with all the industrial age automation and cheap out of country labor and such?

Overconsumption?