Jars, I think they're not comparable, because the male sex organ isn't mutilated in a successful circumcision. Circumcised males still feel sexual pleasure, and can climax, and sex isn't painful for them, because they've been circumcised. That's why it's not too useful to equate them.
You've got my support. Just think of me as...as your... You know, I'm searching for 'supportive things' and I'm coming up all bras.
Xander ,'Empty Places'
Natter 43: I Love My Dead Gay Whale Crosspost.
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Topic!Cindy - Apr 05, 2006 1:11:06 pm PDT #8973 of 10001
What is even happening?
Allyson - Apr 05, 2006 1:11:35 pm PDT #8974 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
Cutting off a clitoris is akin to cutting off a penis. Not a foreskin. I'm sorry that you don't see the difference, and think you're incredibly wrong.
Jars - Apr 05, 2006 1:15:20 pm PDT #8975 of 10001
Cutting off a clitoris is akin to cutting off a penis. Not a foreskin. I'm sorry that you don't see the difference, and think you're incredibly wrong.
I wasn't using the actual physical consequences as an example; I was pointing out how these things are viewed by society. I'm sorry if I was misinterpreted.
§ ita § - Apr 05, 2006 1:17:07 pm PDT #8976 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I was pointing out how these things are viewed by society. I'm sorry if I was misinterpreted.
You don't think that the society's views of them are tied to the physical consequences?
ChiKat - Apr 05, 2006 1:17:41 pm PDT #8977 of 10001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?
If you want to compare apples to apples, I don't know of a single culture that is okay with cutting off a penis.
Trudy Booth - Apr 05, 2006 1:21:40 pm PDT #8978 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
Take the women away, and he'll probably suffer a rapid demotion. Unless it's blacks or kids or Jews or foreigners or the elderly.
But specifically raped?
And if you're raping the blacks or Jews, etc. you're raping the women. Even if the men are weak and handy as long as there are women* its the women that are raped.
- all of this with the 'vast vast majority of the time' codicil.
Jars - Apr 05, 2006 1:22:37 pm PDT #8979 of 10001
You don't think that the society's views of them are tied to the physical consequences?
I don't think the groups of societies that usually undertake female circumsicion are medically aware enough of the consequences to truly understand them, anymore than a surgeon in the Middle Ages knew why his patients' wounds became infected. These are generally very uneducated groups, and in fact, moving up the social strata in countries where female circumsicion is performed, the numbers drop considerably.
Sheryl - Apr 05, 2006 1:25:42 pm PDT #8980 of 10001
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"
Timelies all!
Interesting discussion. I have nothing to add, other than agreeing that the guys in question are pondscum.(and that's an insult to pondscum)
§ ita § - Apr 05, 2006 1:25:57 pm PDT #8981 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
But specifically raped?
At times, yes. Women aren't always raped in power plays either, but as long as the power players are sexually oriented towards them, it'll play a large part. Seeing that removing the gender to which the power players are oriented does not stop demonstrating power through sex tells me it's not all about gender.
Which, really, is my point. It's about power. Gender is secondary, when it does rate.
Trudy Booth - Apr 05, 2006 1:26:49 pm PDT #8982 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
Jars, I agree that female circumcision is perpetuated by women and deeply engrained in the culture and has to do with status and all those things. And those are good things to know in order to end it well and truly and effectively rather than just drive it underground.
But ending it is key.
Cultural respect is grand 99% of the time. Even here it is a grand way to end fgm.