Illyria: We cling to what is gone. Is there anything in this life but grief? Wesley: There's love. There's hope...for some. There's hope that you'll find something worthy...that your life will lead you to some joy...that after everything...you can still be surprised. Illyria: Is that enough? Is that enough to live on?

'Shells'


Natter 43: I Love My Dead Gay Whale Crosspost.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


tommyrot - Apr 05, 2006 12:33:03 pm PDT #8945 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Men CAN rape men but they generally don't.

Still, men raping men is far more common than women raping... anybody.

Years ago I heard that when you take into account prison rape, men are raped more often than women, but I don't remember where I heard that and am not sure that's correct....


erikaj - Apr 05, 2006 12:36:14 pm PDT #8946 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

I've read that, too.


msbelle - Apr 05, 2006 12:37:18 pm PDT #8947 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

I see parts of what so many people are saying.

I have huge personal safety issues. Knowing that men are much more often the perpetrators of violent crimes in this country and almost always the perpetrators against someone who fits my description - well that makes me look differently at men that I don't already know than women I don't already know. I am not happy that it is a reality in my head, but it is.

Rights of women is completely different in my head. I know as many (maybe more) anti-choice women than men. I have heard women arguing against the right to vote ans the right to be in public with uncovered heads. I know educated women who I consider friends who choose to be a part of organizations where they do not get to participate as equals with men who are not even 18, much less the ones who are their peers.

It is all so sticky, and upsetting making, and not in anyway making the men I know and love in anyway anything other than people I trust wholly.


§ ita § - Apr 05, 2006 12:37:41 pm PDT #8948 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

men are raped more often than women

Hmm. If you look at it as the number of times a man is raped? I don't know.


flea - Apr 05, 2006 12:38:33 pm PDT #8949 of 10001
information libertarian

FYI, after long stalling Duke has finally cancelled the lacrosse season and "accepted the resignation of" the coach. Today. The alleged rape occurred March 13, and the administration has known about it since then.

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Trudy Booth - Apr 05, 2006 12:40:22 pm PDT #8950 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Years ago I heard that when you take into account prison rape, men are raped more often than women, but I don't remember where I heard that and am not sure that's correct....

I've heard that too.

But even if its true, its a whole different head. Its almost exclusively in prision so if you're a man and you're not in prison its not something you generally need to think about. It doesn't affect how you walk the dog or dress or talk to people in bars.


erikaj - Apr 05, 2006 12:44:12 pm PDT #8951 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Or whether you leave your drink somewhere, or answer a stranger's questions...what clothes you wear where...Or sometimes I do activist things in old parts of the city and my ride's late...it's not my purse people are talking about when they say "I wouldn't be downtown after dark."


ChiKat - Apr 05, 2006 12:46:05 pm PDT #8952 of 10001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

I have huge personal safety issues. Knowing that men are much more often the perpetrators of violent crimes in this country and almost always the perpetrators against someone who fits my description - well that makes me look differently at men that I don't already know than women I don't already know. I am not happy that it is a reality in my head, but it is.

Exactly. If I'm in the parking garage late at night when I'm alone and another person enters the garage, I react differently if it's man than I do if it's a woman.

Is that fair to the man who is, most likely, a normal, nice guy? Honestly, at that moment, I don't care. I care more about getting to my car and locking the door than being fair to him.


Jars - Apr 05, 2006 12:48:05 pm PDT #8953 of 10001

Recently, there's been an initiative in Ireland to warn young men of the dangers of rape alongside women. There's a tendency to go on a drunken beach holiday to Spain when you finish school in Ireland, and apparently the 17 and 18 year old boys who get so drunk they can't stand, but don't have the inbuilt fear/sense of many of the 17 or 18 year old girls to not go wandering about by themselves, are become targeted more and more. So says my cousin who had to sit through a lecture on this as his summer term finished last year. He and his mates were laughing about it, but you'd hope it's made some kind of impact on them.


Trudy Booth - Apr 05, 2006 12:48:29 pm PDT #8954 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

It's also probably worth noting that the men raped in prison are commonly "made into" women. They're often not being raped as males so much as substitute females.