I'd go with Cindy's qualified statements. I think morals depend on a whole bunch of things and religious beliefs or lack thereof are one of them. There's also culture and experience (both collective and individual) and other things. Then the current culture is influenced by religion and religion is influenced by culture and it's just a big mismash.
We die horribly and painfully, you go to hell and I spend eternity in the arms of baby Jesus.
Gunn ,'Not Fade Away'
Natter 43: I Love My Dead Gay Whale Crosspost.
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Gudanov - Mar 29, 2006 12:36:18 pm PST #7121 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping
§ ita § - Mar 29, 2006 12:37:27 pm PST #7122 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I think morals depend on a whole bunch of things and religious beliefs or lack thereof are one of them.
You don't think, like BT posits, that morals can determine religious beliefs?
Vortex - Mar 29, 2006 12:40:00 pm PST #7123 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
Still need the bacon.
bacon makes everything better.
You don't think, like BT posits, that morals can determine religious beliefs?
I think that's it's often the other way around.
Gudanov - Mar 29, 2006 12:40:09 pm PST #7124 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping
You don't think, like BT posits, that morals can determine religious beliefs?
No, I think BT has a good point too, it's not a one way street.
§ ita § - Mar 29, 2006 12:42:59 pm PST #7125 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I think that's it's often the other way around.
I have heard so many people say "I could never believe in a God who..." that I'm not sure it's even often. We're shaped by our environment, but that can include religions in which we do not participate. Many people seek religion, and in seeking winnow their choices with who they already are, and what they already believe is right or wrong.
shrift - Mar 29, 2006 12:45:00 pm PST #7126 of 10001
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty
bacon makes everything better.
I just went and got some, since I don't think I'll be getting home until late.
My bill came to $6.66.
brenda m - Mar 29, 2006 12:53:11 pm PST #7127 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
How is it independent of it? I mean, in a sense, I see what you mean: You and I agree that it is best not to be mean to people, and we come to that conclusion despite differing views on the supernatural;
But - my views on the supernatural have changed dramatically from when I was younger. My "moral code" or whatever you'd call it, has not. In fact, one of the stepping stones in my journey away from religious belief was C.S. Lewis's discussion of whether good acts, done for non-religous reasons, had any value or worth to them at all, to which he answered no. (Vastly oversimplified, of course.) I would say that my views on ethics and morality are not in fact related to my views on the supernatural, much less "based on."
ChiKat - Mar 29, 2006 1:07:48 pm PST #7128 of 10001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?
Chicago loves carrots. Not as much as some coastal cities, but still.
What. Ev. Chicago totally has bacon, though.
§ ita § - Mar 29, 2006 1:08:11 pm PST #7129 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
People need to stop sending me e-mails of links that are filtered from my work. I am a petulant child, and can't bear the waiting.
It beats getting no mail, but still.
tommyrot - Mar 29, 2006 1:08:36 pm PST #7130 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
What. Ev. Chicago totally has bacon, though.
Totally. One of the fringe benefits to being hog butcher to the world.