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Fred: It's the pictures in my mind that are getting me. It's like being stuck in a really bad movie with those Clockwork Orange clampy things on my eyeballs. Wesley: Why imagine? Reality's disturbing enough.
'Shells'
Natter 43: I Love My Dead Gay Whale Crosspost.
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
tommyrot - Mar 29, 2006 11:59:33 am PST #7092 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
Topic!Cindy - Mar 29, 2006 11:59:57 am PST #7093 of 10001
What is even happening?
There are two ridiculous generalizations in this statement. One, that all atheists base their moral judgments on their belief that there is no God. Two, that all theists base their moral judgments on their belief that there is.
Then either I did a bad job explaining myself or you're reading way more into it than I meant to convey. Your world view is going to affect your moral judgments, is what I was trying to get at.
Jessica - Mar 29, 2006 12:00:21 pm PST #7094 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Describe to me how a person's world view does not affect his moral judgments.
Describe to me how "world view" = "belief/lack of belief in God"
tommyrot - Mar 29, 2006 12:02:02 pm PST #7095 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
My "world view" might include the belief that "It's best not to be mean to people, if possible," but I might have come to that belief independent of any consideration whether there's a God or not....
Topic!Cindy - Mar 29, 2006 12:03:42 pm PST #7096 of 10001
What is even happening?
How could it not include that, Jessica?
I'm not going (nor did I ever intend to go) any where near the ridiculous statement you hear from some theists that non-theists have no morals. But what you think about the world, why it is here, why you're here, what your rights and responsibilities are, what is good and what is bad, etc--that's your world view. How can that not affect your moral judgments?
Lee - Mar 29, 2006 12:05:04 pm PST #7097 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
My "world view" might include the belief that "It's best not to be mean to people, if possible," but that I might have come to that belief independent of any consideration whether there's a God or not....checks world view file
Mine definitely does include both those beliefs.
Gudanov - Mar 29, 2006 12:05:19 pm PST #7098 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping
Describe to me how a person's world view does not affect his moral judgments.
But supernatural belief or non-belief is only a subset of world view. In 2006 the thought that slavery is immoral is pretty much universal in the U.S.. In 1806 it wouldn't be hard to find theists and atheists who would believe that slavery is morally okay.
Edit: Again I am too slow to post.
Nutty - Mar 29, 2006 12:06:27 pm PST #7099 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
Mostly, operationally, my lack of a belief in the divine is irrelevant to my daily life. I take a shower whether or not gods like how I smell, you know?
I think that you are leaping out of the Abyss.
Shrift, the Flying Squirrel of Escapedom!
tommyrot - Mar 29, 2006 12:06:32 pm PST #7100 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
But you said, "Everyone in the world bases moral judgments on beliefs about the supernatural" - belief (or not) in the supernatural is a subset of one's world view.
way-xposty....
§ ita § - Mar 29, 2006 12:09:47 pm PST #7101 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Thinking it's sad when languages die is part of my world view. Doesn't affect my morals in the least.
Do your utility closets have room numbers?
Yes. Shouldn't they?