I'll be fine. I'll be your bounty, Jubal Early. And I'll just fade away.

River ,'Objects In Space'


Natter 43: I Love My Dead Gay Whale Crosspost.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


billytea - Mar 23, 2006 4:42:56 pm PST #5898 of 10001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Christianity--or any other religion--doesn't make you moral or ethical. Morals and ethics make you the type of Christian--or other faith--you are.

When I stopped being a Christian, the thinking that took me there revolved around the statement "God is good." Interestingly, this was a key consideration in Bertrand Russell's Why I Am Not A Christian too. Anyway, the question is, what do we understand by this? Is it that we come to an understanding of God otherwise, and we understand good to be His will? Or is it that we understand the distinction between good and evil, and God too is subject to the demands of morality? Russell, as I recall, was more interested in the first conclusion, which leaves God without any guidance or standard for action; any arbitrary action of His becomes by definition good. I was interested in the latter, that if morality existed independent of God - things that are good given the existence of God must still be good without Him - then is there not something higher than God? And what use, then, is God? I basically ontological proof'd myself out of believing in God.

Nowadays, I would have a different answer to the question, namely that for the believer (one who lives by Micah 6:8, anyway), the two concepts are not sufficiently separable to make one subject to the other. The understanding of each influences the understanding of the other. And I really like people of faith like that. But interestingly, it doesn't take me back over the bridge.


Allyson - Mar 23, 2006 4:49:29 pm PST #5899 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I cant figure out whether I file as Head of Household or Single. I mean, I'm single, but I'm also the head of my household.

Friggin taxes.


Consuela - Mar 23, 2006 5:00:25 pm PST #5900 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

single, Allyson.


Herah - Mar 23, 2006 5:00:52 pm PST #5901 of 10001
I don't want to be Superman. I want to stay little and be next to Mommy.

My understanding is that Head of Household means unmarried with dependents. I used to have to convince DH every year that he wasn't it.


tommyrot - Mar 23, 2006 5:02:35 pm PST #5902 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

How many cats = one human dependent?


Zenkitty - Mar 23, 2006 5:05:33 pm PST #5903 of 10001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Allyson, I don't think you can be Head of Household if no one else lives with you. I think it's for single parents. ::not a tax expert::

billytea, I talked myself out of it in much the same way. My reasoning was, I couldn't subject anyone, not even Hitler, to eternal hellfire (Presbyterian, we were - big on the hellfire). If God is by definition more loving and forgiving than a human can ever be, then He couldn't either. Therefore the God I was being taught about who could and did send people to burn in hell for eternity was either not real or not the ultimate divinity. This got me branded an athiest in junior high school.


§ ita § - Mar 23, 2006 5:06:13 pm PST #5904 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

There's a point beyond which the number of cats starts counting as negative human dependents. F(x)=c²l, or something.


tommyrot - Mar 23, 2006 5:10:38 pm PST #5905 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

So, "large number of cats" = "income potential"?


Strix - Mar 23, 2006 5:18:25 pm PST #5906 of 10001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

yo, Allyson, single, according to my accountant friend who does my taxes some years. But I did my own Mondat! money BACK from Fed and MO!! Whoo! And in time for spring break.


tommyrot - Mar 23, 2006 5:39:56 pm PST #5907 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

“Bob” is a geologist and a teacher at a science education institution that serves several Arkansas public school districts. My friend did not know the details of Bob’s problem, only that it had to do with geology education. This was enough to arouse my interest, so I invited Bob to tell me about what was going on.

He responded with an e-mail. Teachers at his facility are forbidden to use the “e-word” (evolution) with the kids. They are permitted to use the word “adaptation” but only to refer to a current characteristic of an organism, not as a product of evolutionary change via natural selection. They cannot even use the term “natural selection.” Bob feared that not being able to use evolutionary terms and ideas to answer his students’ questions would lead to reinforcement of their misconceptions.

But Bob’s personal issue was more specific, and the prohibition more insidious. In his words, “I am instructed NOT to use hard numbers when telling kids how old rocks are. I am supposed to say that these rocks are VERY VERY OLD ... but I am NOT to say that these rocks are thought to be about 300 million years old.”

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