But I'll be able to tone my upper body with this next one. I've used Infinite Jest before.

I did a bit of physical therapy with Foucault's Pendulum last night.

It's not some post-modern Ecclesiastes, with everything meaningless.

What does him dying have to do with everything being meaningless? If Harry's just been fighting for himself this whole time (pauses to consider the books to date), then it's all so much smaller.

You can extract great meaning from dying for a cause, especially if it's done knowingly.

I have to agree with this. Back when I was contemplating How Buffy Would End (between S6 and S7, I believe), I had a great scenario in my head of total death and destruction, and the only survivor would be Jonathan. A great image, but not true to the show as a whole.

I know what you mean. I used to delight myself imagining a series finale ending with Spike and Dru dancing on Buffy's grave (I'll dance with you, pet—on the slayer's grave), but had that come to pass, it would have actually invalidated the whole series for me.

What does him dying have to do with everything being meaningless? If Harry's just been fighting for himself this whole time (pauses to consider the books to date), then it's all so much smaller.

You can extract great meaning from dying for a cause, especially if it's done knowingly.

Of course you can. I just don't think that's true to (what I have read of) this story. So much of this is an coming of age story (to me), anyhow. I don't know if that helps convey what's behind my opinion, or not. I don't have any other way to explain it further, except that it would, to me, be wrong.

It's important that he lived as a baby. And it's important that he was marked. And it's important that he has always allowed himself to name He Who Shall Not Be Named. And it's important that the sorting hat basically let him choose. And it's important that he was so mistreated by his Muggle relatives, locked under the stairway, and that they tried to hide his heritage from him.

I fully agree with every one of these statements. I just fail to see why the importance of these things discounts the possibility of a tragic young hero's death. Yes, I think there should be some serious enlightenment (ascenstion?) between now and then, which I don't necessarily think JKR can do adequately - part of why I don't think it will happen. But I wish she could.

And who said anything about a meaningless death? If JKR does her job the way I think she should, the last book will really paint a picture of a war with a charismatic, incredibly terrifying leader slowly taking over the world, and he'll die a sacrificial death to stop him. Do we think that soldiers who died in World War II stopping Hitler had meaningless deaths? I don't.

But really, this is only why I justify not being disappointed by Harry's death. The real reason I want him to die is purely plot-based. There's a certain speculative plot point out there, based on HBP, that I absolutely love and REALLy want to happen. Unfortunately, I personally haven't seen any possible resolutions to it that result in Harry living and don't seem like cheap ass-pulls. So when I say "Harry should die" I really mean "Harry should die because it's necessary for this plot point I like to resonate with the awesomeness it should and it's okay because tragic hero."

However, there's also this:

I would hate it if they had him go into some deadly situation without getting a scratch because he is The Hero.

Only I have to add "for the tenth time." to that sentence. At some point, his danger has to catch up to him because, while HP is kid-lit fantasy, it's not really a fairy tale.

So much of this is an coming of age story (to me), anyhow.

I have no personal disconnect between coming of age and choosing to sacrifice for the greater good.

There's a certain speculative plot point out there, based on HBP, that I absolutely love and REALLy want to happen.

You mean the one where Harry is a Horcrux? Because I love that idea too. I think I came up with it myself, and then I found out everyone else did too.

(There was no need to whitefont that, but since Gris was vague, I followed his lead.)

I still don't know whether Rowling would really have Harry die at the end. Yes, the books have been getting darker, but as Cindy said, they're still kid-lit. I don't even know if she would kill Ron or Hermione.

There's a certain speculative plot point out there, based on HBP, that I absolutely love and REALLy want to happen.

Do you mean the speculation that he's the last Horcrux? I don't see how that's possible. Dumbledore said that even the possibility of Nagini being a Horcrux was stretching the bounds of Horcruxes. I can't see a human Horcrux as being a legitimate option. It's a very popular theory in fandom, though.

Edited to vague things up a bit.

Do we think that soldiers who died in World War II stopping Hitler had meaningless deaths? I don't.

Wow, I've never seen zero-to-Godwin happen that fast before.

Who's Godwin?

t /probably uncultured

Also, I don't go that quickly to such cliches, usually, but the Voldemort/Hitler comparisons are so rampant in the world of HP discussion that my thoughts are totally colored.