You have the emotional maturity of a blueberry scone.

Giles ,'Touched'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


meara - May 13, 2008 8:26:40 am PDT #5777 of 28354

I went to Catholic college, so it was not at all unusual for students to go to Mass on Sundays. It was also not unusual for students to NOT go. And while excessive religiosity was a bit raised-eyebrow among the theater crowd, "excessive" was pretty loosely defined, given that several of the church-goers were gay, at least three of my friends went on to get their MDiv, and I know of at least two ministers from that group...


Kathy A - May 13, 2008 8:35:44 am PDT #5778 of 28354
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

I went to Marquette, a Jesuit university, and Mass attendance was pretty high, but you didn't get the fisheye if you didn't go. You had plenty of choices for which mass to attend--Saturday evening or Sunday morning at the huge Gesu Church, Saturday midnight at one of the dorms, Sunday morning at Joan of Arc Chapel, or Sunday night at your dorm (which many of us girls went to in our pjs, since it was a single-sex dorm). There were also Baptist and other Protestant churches relatively close by or at least accessable by city bus.

If you didn't go, though, or professed yourself as atheist/agnostic, it was no big deal to most of us. The Campus Crusade for Christ people would fuss if you were out as being a/a, otherwise it wasn't anyone's business other than your own.

I do remember the rather horrified reaction one of my dorm neighbors, who was Campus Crusade, had to seeing Jesus Christ, Superstar for the first time. "That's blasphemous!!" she said while my roommate and I walked back to our dorm singing "What's the Buzz?" at full volume.


amych - May 13, 2008 8:39:02 am PDT #5779 of 28354
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

See, all y'all are making the mistake of talking about student religious behavior in real reality. The whole "closet Christian" thing doesn't exist in any known universe, but is a really common trope in the Christian fiction market, which sells the hell out of stories about how Christians are an oppressed minority.


Sue - May 13, 2008 8:40:29 am PDT #5780 of 28354
hip deep in pie

I went to a small Anglican college that rang the chapel bell several times to a day to let you know when prayer service was, and even then the religious people were ghettoized as "the God squad". Still, it was small enough that people mingled somewhat outside their groups.


Nutty - May 13, 2008 8:48:24 am PDT #5781 of 28354
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

which sells the hell out of stories about how Christians are an oppressed minority.

Oh, cry me a goddamned river.

...So to speak.


Hayden - May 13, 2008 8:50:26 am PDT #5782 of 28354
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

I think Amych is dead-on. Although you can't hold higher elected office in this country without visibly and loudly being one, a certain brand of Christianity is dedicated to the premise that they are an oppressed minority.


Steph L. - May 13, 2008 9:09:54 am PDT #5783 of 28354
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

The whole "closet Christian" thing doesn't exist in any known universe

I think the premise of those books -- teens at a snooty, exclusive private school in San Francisco -- is that, while there doesn't seem to be any shame in being *culturally* Christian (C&E, and maybe even church on Sundays), in that particular snooty-ass, disaffected, promiscuous teen culture, it's uber-UNcool to be all "I LOVE Jesus!!!!" And BEYOND uber-uncool to not have sex with your hot-ass BF because God wants you to save it for your wedding night.

So in that scenario, I'm imagining a Jesus Camp-type fundie Christian trying to be part of the popular crowd at this snooty private school, but being afraid of being outed as a great big square.

Does that make sense?


Nutty - May 13, 2008 9:37:38 am PDT #5784 of 28354
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Does that make sense?

I think it would make more sense except that the whole point of a "snooty" social scene is that almost everybody is ostracized for one reason or another. Now, if Missy Christian is trying to fit in with the losers and the nerds and feels like she would lose social status for her beliefs, that... would be kind of funny, and possibly a 1980s brat pack movie.


Jessica - May 13, 2008 9:39:33 am PDT #5785 of 28354
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

a snooty, exclusive private school in San Francisco

Oh, San Francisco. Well of course it's not cool to love Jesus in that hotbed of sin!


DavidS - May 13, 2008 9:41:19 am PDT #5786 of 28354
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Well of course it's not cool to love Jesus in that hotbed of sin!

It's true. I oppress JZ all the time about this.