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Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Kate P. - May 05, 2008 2:51:45 pm PDT #5651 of 28348
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Huh. From that OSC link:

When I have a gay character in my fiction, I say so right in the book. I don't wait until after it has had all its initial sales to mention it.

Does Card actually have gay characters in his books? How does he treat them? I admit I've never read anything by him (I missed Ender's Game during those crucial high school years), but I just assumed that his books would reflect his anti-gay stance by not including any gay characters.


Amy - May 05, 2008 3:02:57 pm PDT #5652 of 28348
Because books.

Man, I kind of miss those old Harlequin Presents now. Ah, innocent 18 year old secretaries who fall under the spell of their (always swarthy) much-older alpha male boss (secret baby subplot optional).

Looks like Presents is still offering those, although with more glitz, and so is Harlequin Romance. Her Skeikh Boss! His Pregnant Housekeeper!


P.M. Marc - May 05, 2008 3:18:59 pm PDT #5653 of 28348
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

they may be selling, but I am not buying, no matter how huge my Penny Jordan collection was at 13. Things scarred me for life.


Amy - May 05, 2008 3:22:14 pm PDT #5654 of 28348
Because books.

It amazes me that they're still so popular. Presents and Romance are virtually the same line. I think the only differences may be length and degree of on-camera sex.


sj - May 05, 2008 3:22:56 pm PDT #5655 of 28348
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

they may be selling, but I am not buying, no matter how huge my Penny Jordan collection was at 13. Things scarred me for life.

She was the Harlequin author I had a huge collection of too!


P.M. Marc - May 05, 2008 3:35:28 pm PDT #5656 of 28348
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Her books were like crack! Patriarchy-addled, colonialist-approved crack, but crack just the same.


Jessica - May 05, 2008 3:43:09 pm PDT #5657 of 28348
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I can't recall an openly gay character in an OSC book, no.


Typo Boy - May 05, 2008 3:52:13 pm PDT #5658 of 28348
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I remember one. He revealed his gayness by trembling with desire when helping a (male) child character change his clothes. Don't remember if he was merely fired or executed.

I think it was in Wyrms. At any rate it was in the same novel in which a female child character revealed the depth of her evil while being raped.


Miracleman - May 06, 2008 4:03:08 am PDT #5659 of 28348
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

Does Card actually have gay characters in his books? How does he treat them? I admit I've never read anything by him (I missed Ender's Game during those crucial high school years), but I just assumed that his books would reflect his anti-gay stance by not including any gay characters.

Yeah, I was wondering that, too.

I should never ever read OSC's opinions on anything. I try not to let it detract from my enjoyment of his fiction, but it's hard.

It pains me that he's a family friend.


Fred Pete - May 06, 2008 4:35:32 am PDT #5660 of 28348
Ann, that's a ferret.

Does Card actually have gay characters in his books? How does he treat them?

He was all the rage in the SF circles I frequented back in the day -- it was in NC, and he was winning all sorts of awards while living in Greensboro. I don't remember the subject coming up in his work or otherwise then.

On the other hand, I haven't read everything he wrote.