Oh, yeah. There was this time I was pinned down by this guy that played left tackle for varsity... Well, at least he used to before he was a vampire... Anyway, he had this really, really thick neck, and all I had was a little, little Exact-O knife ... You're not loving this story.

Buffy ,'Beneath You'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Susan W. - Mar 13, 2008 11:22:35 am PDT #5217 of 28344
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Laurence Olivier played Mr. Darcy in a 1940 version of Pride and Prejudice. Which won an Oscar for Art Direction. So even though I haven't seen it, I can't dismiss it out of hand.

It gets mixed reviews. It tends to appall Austen purists because the costumes are Victorian and Lady Catherine de Burgh is defanged, but there are those who love it, too. I fall on the purist side of the fence, but that may be at least partly because I saw the Firth/Ehle version first and just can't imagine P&P being done better.

The Risky Regencies blog discussed the Oliver adaptation here: [link]


Typo Boy - Mar 13, 2008 11:24:44 am PDT #5218 of 28344
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I also use he French Lieutenant's Woman as an example of why in translation from book to film preserving the spirit often requires significant alterations in the letter.


Amy - Mar 13, 2008 11:29:27 am PDT #5219 of 28344
Because books.

I'm guessing Jane Eyre maybe doesn't count as a "great" book (although I think it has a lot of historical significance), but the 1940s Orson Welles version was really faithful, and nicely done.

I also think Rosemary's Baby is overlooked as pretty pointed social commentary, and the film adaptation was so faithful it was almost eerie. Also, a really good movie.


Susan W. - Mar 13, 2008 11:36:32 am PDT #5220 of 28344
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

I'll go so far as to say that different qualities make a good book as opposed to a good movie.

In my own writing, I've learned that the more strongly I visualize a scene, the more difficult it is to write. I don't spend a lot of time daydreaming that anything I write will ever be a movie, but with those scenes, I do, because they're usually just so cinematic--the kind of thing you can convey beautifully with a few visuals, the right music in the background, the expression on a good actor's face, but are hard to get across with the same subtle emotional impact when I have to try to write down the amazing evocative picture in my head.


Fred Pete - Mar 13, 2008 11:39:03 am PDT #5221 of 28344
Ann, that's a ferret.

Susan, it looks like Risky Regencies liked it better as a movie than an Austen adaptation, if that makes sense. And yeah, Greer Garson doesn't make sense as a young unmarried woman. She made Mrs. Miniver only two years later -- she's one of those stars that I can't believe was ever a child.

While I can't say Peyton Place is Great Art either as book or movie, it's certainly first-rate trashiness as both. (And speaking of the controversial, read Forever Amber but skip the movie -- it should have been made about 10 years later, when the censors would probably have allowed more stuff in.)


Ginger - Mar 13, 2008 11:42:16 am PDT #5222 of 28344
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I would say that a formula for making a bad movie from a book is to slavishly copy the book. The best movies are those that a reimagined for the screen. This is why I don't go around muttering, "But where's Tom Bombadil?"


sumi - Mar 13, 2008 11:42:54 am PDT #5223 of 28344
Art Crawl!!!

Well, the costumes and hair in the 1940s movies are ALL WRONG.


brenda m - Mar 13, 2008 11:50:05 am PDT #5224 of 28344
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Laurence Olivier played Mr. Darcy in a 1940 version of Pride and Prejudice. Which won an Oscar for Art Direction. So even though I haven't seen it, I can't dismiss it out of hand.

Except for the skeevy grossness of Olivier. So I guess I can.

I would say that a formula for making a bad movie from a book is to slavishly copy the book. The best movies are those that a reimagined for the screen.

I read an interview with Tom Stoppard who was saying that he agreed to direct Rosencrantz after resisting the idea for years because the stage adaptations convinced him that people were too afraid to fuck with the source material. He was the only one he knew had the proper lack of respect for the playwright's delicate genius.


Jessica - Mar 13, 2008 12:49:46 pm PDT #5225 of 28344
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

The Olivier P&P is weird. I think it would work best as a movie for people who hadn't read the book, because I spent too much of the movie confused by the changes to properly appreciate it.


JZ - Mar 13, 2008 12:55:17 pm PDT #5226 of 28344
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

The insane costuming and the bizarre impostor running around claiming to be Lady Catherine de Bourgh but so clearly not her at all made it completely impossible for me to enjoy it properly. I did kind of like the way Greer Garson and Olivier played off each other, and I kept wishing I could see them in something that more closely resembled the actual P&P.