Lorne: My little prince. Oh…what did they do to you? Angel: Nina…tried to…eat me. Lorne: Oh, you're--medic! You're gonna make it Angel. Just don't stop fighting. Doctor! Is there a Gepetto in the house?

'Smile Time'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


§ ita § - Jan 26, 2008 3:39:53 pm PST #4906 of 28343
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Kate's on crack.

No offense, but my opinion is the only right one.

Me, I disliked the third enough that it tarnished the second and almost the first. But before I read #3 I really liked the first two.


Strega - Jan 26, 2008 8:34:05 pm PST #4907 of 28343

I love the third book. I probably wouldn't have read the first two if I hadn't read a review of the third, though; I was in it for the polemic.


Maysa - Jan 26, 2008 9:42:54 pm PST #4908 of 28343

The third's my favorite, but I also really love William Blake and as soon as I read the epigraph from "America" I was sort of into the whole wacky thing Pullman had going on (although it probably was too symbolic and anvil-ly). It was confusing in some parts, but I thought the last few chapters were simple and beautiful.


Polter-Cow - Jan 26, 2008 10:04:57 pm PST #4909 of 28343
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I still liked the second one, because it does more world-building and introduces some new characters, but the third one kind of lost me.

Consuela is me. I would definitely recommend reading them all, of course, for completism. And the third book does have an awesome plot for a favorite character of mine who's introduced in the second book.

I'll just say that it was disappointing because the first two books give you the impression Pullman had it All Planned Out, and the third book suggests otherwise.


Strega - Jan 26, 2008 10:11:19 pm PST #4910 of 28343

The third's my favorite, but I also really love William Blake
You are a right-thinking person! Heh.

The funniest thing for me is that my mother got the books for us for Christmas. She gave me, my SIL, and my brother one book each, and figured we could all read them and swap them around. Adding to the comedy: My mom & SIL are Catholic. I got through them first so I was sort of increasingly nervous about how they'd react.

But I think we all enjoyed them... in our own ways. Although after the last book my brother & I traded some emails privately about some of the events, because my mom & SIL seemed a little less enthused. (My mom got them because of the same review I read, so it's not like she had no idea where things were going, and all credit to her for feeling like, even if she disagreed with the point, the books sounded like good reads. Especially since she still gets huffy about Life of Brian.)


DXMachina - Jan 27, 2008 3:13:31 am PST #4911 of 28343
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

I liked the first book a lot, but hated the ending of the second. Never bothered to read the third.


Anne W. - Jan 27, 2008 3:44:35 am PST #4912 of 28343
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

DX's reaction is mine. I do think I'm going to give them another try, however.


Volans - Jan 27, 2008 3:57:26 am PST #4913 of 28343
move out and draw fire

Loved the first, only made it through part of the second, even though I gave it two tries.

Once I found out that Lord Azrael wasn't an angel even with that name, I was no longer interested. It's like, Pullman sacrificed characters and story on the alter of metaphor (or diatribe), and missed an obvious


flea - Jan 27, 2008 3:59:33 am PST #4914 of 28343
information libertarian

Lord Azrael makes me think of the smurfs. Possibly I watched too much 1980s Saturday morning TV. (I haven't read the books, but they're on my 'one of these years' list.)


Nutty - Jan 27, 2008 4:47:57 am PST #4915 of 28343
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I'll just say that it was disappointing because the first two books give you the impression Pullman had it All Planned Out, and the third book suggests otherwise.

I re-read the trilogy in rapid succession a year ago, and it's relatively clear that, about halfway through the second book, Pullman is beginning to realize that the foreshadowing/hints/etc. he'd set up previously weren't going to work. So, yes: it's a series that changes shape (if not intent or direction) halfway through. For example, I'm pretty sure he didn't know that Dust was going to be a good thing, rather than a bad thing, till he started writing the second book; and every conversation between Asrael and Mrs. Coulter is a retcon of the previous one.