She just... she just did the math.

Kaylee ,'Objects In Space'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Anne W. - Jan 27, 2008 3:44:35 am PST #4912 of 28343
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

DX's reaction is mine. I do think I'm going to give them another try, however.


Volans - Jan 27, 2008 3:57:26 am PST #4913 of 28343
move out and draw fire

Loved the first, only made it through part of the second, even though I gave it two tries.

Once I found out that Lord Azrael wasn't an angel even with that name, I was no longer interested. It's like, Pullman sacrificed characters and story on the alter of metaphor (or diatribe), and missed an obvious


flea - Jan 27, 2008 3:59:33 am PST #4914 of 28343
information libertarian

Lord Azrael makes me think of the smurfs. Possibly I watched too much 1980s Saturday morning TV. (I haven't read the books, but they're on my 'one of these years' list.)


Nutty - Jan 27, 2008 4:47:57 am PST #4915 of 28343
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I'll just say that it was disappointing because the first two books give you the impression Pullman had it All Planned Out, and the third book suggests otherwise.

I re-read the trilogy in rapid succession a year ago, and it's relatively clear that, about halfway through the second book, Pullman is beginning to realize that the foreshadowing/hints/etc. he'd set up previously weren't going to work. So, yes: it's a series that changes shape (if not intent or direction) halfway through. For example, I'm pretty sure he didn't know that Dust was going to be a good thing, rather than a bad thing, till he started writing the second book; and every conversation between Asrael and Mrs. Coulter is a retcon of the previous one.


brenda m - Jan 27, 2008 6:32:48 am PST #4916 of 28343
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I love the third book. I probably wouldn't have read the first two if I hadn't read a review of the third, though; I was in it for the polemic.

Hee. That's the only thing tempting me toward the third, to be honest.


Polter-Cow - Jan 27, 2008 9:35:54 am PST #4917 of 28343
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

For example, I'm pretty sure he didn't know that Dust was going to be a good thing, rather than a bad thing, till he started writing the second book; and every conversation between Asrael and Mrs. Coulter is a retcon of the previous one.

Yep. The Asrael/Coulter stuff is particularly maddening, especially in the third book, where he starts directly contradicting stuff in the first book. As far as Dust goes, I think he had some idea about that because one of my favorite parts of TGC is Lyra working out that Dust must be good if all the adults think it's bad.


Daisy Jane - Jan 27, 2008 11:51:15 am PST #4918 of 28343
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Curse y'all for introducing me to Library Thing. I was only able to get one of my bookshelves in before I used up all the space on the free account.

that site is eeeeevillll!


beth b - Jan 27, 2008 5:14:44 pm PST #4919 of 28343
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

I'm being very picky so far with LibraryThing. buffista authors, heyer, deLint and cookbooks.


Daisy Jane - Jan 27, 2008 5:52:28 pm PST #4920 of 28343
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

I just wanna see how big I can get it to write William Shakespeare in the Author Cloud.


Susan W. - Jan 27, 2008 6:25:46 pm PST #4921 of 28343
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

I broke down and bought a lifetime membership within a day or so of signing up...