I'm just, uh, just feeling kinda... truthsome right now. And, uh... life's just too damn short for ifs and maybes.

Mal ,'Heart Of Gold'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Susan W. - Jan 10, 2008 7:18:49 am PST #4648 of 28342
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

So, the Cassie Edwards plagiarism kerfuffle has now hit the AP wires: [link]

In the thread about it at Smart Bitches, a visitor who jumped all over them for being so mean said, "When you write 100 books, or even ONE, then we’ll talk.”

A few comments down, Nora Roberts weighs in:

*raises hand*

Okay, let’s talk. Plagiarism is copying another’s work and calling it your own. Minor paraphrasing doesn’t change the offense.

What's surprised me, though, is that other authors have actually defended her. I don't get it. It blows my mind that ANYONE would think it's acceptable.

I mean, I sometimes worry with my alternate history WIP that I'm simultaneously ripping off Naomi Novik (alternate version of the Napoleonic Wars, though there be no dragons in mine), Bernard Cornwell (one of my major characters is an officer raised from the ranks, though he has a vastly different personality than Richard Sharpe), and Patrick O'Brien (I'm debating on letting another major character, a real historical character and amateur musician, be seen playing the violin to unwind because it's just so Aubrey/Maturin). But at least I know I'm not copying those authors' words! I may not have the world's most original ideas, but at least I have my own words to put them into!


Dana - Jan 10, 2008 7:20:24 am PST #4649 of 28342
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

It's hit Fandom Wank too, where many people are displeased with Jennifer Cruisie's response.


P.M. Marc - Jan 10, 2008 7:32:33 am PST #4650 of 28342
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

A few comments down, Nora Roberts weighs in:

Which, you know, much as she lost me as a reader with the craptastically researched Irish Thoroughbred (fine, fine, I hold grudges that are irrational), is made of win, and may make me pick up another of her books one of these days.

It's hit Fandom Wank too, where many people are displeased with Jennifer Cruisie's response.

Which was made of fail, sadly.


Polter-Cow - Jan 10, 2008 7:38:05 am PST #4651 of 28342
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I have no interest in reading Nora Roberts's books, but she sounds pretty damn awesome as a person here.


Toddson - Jan 10, 2008 7:46:16 am PST #4652 of 28342
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

Nora Roberts speaks from experience - there was a nasty mess a while ago when another author plagairized one or more of her books. And, yes, a number of other authors as well as fans attached NR for making a fuss.

And I'm STILL boggled by the ferrets.


Polter-Cow - Jan 10, 2008 7:47:40 am PST #4653 of 28342
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I am just amused that her characters seem to be well versed in obscure wildlife articles, given that they keep quoting them verbatim.


Kathy A - Jan 10, 2008 7:49:00 am PST #4654 of 28342
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

craptastically researched Irish Thoroughbred

That was her first book, IIRC.


Susan W. - Jan 10, 2008 7:50:59 am PST #4655 of 28342
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

It was Janet Dailey who plagiarized Nora Roberts. It hurt Dailey's career but didn't destroy it. She's still published, but she's not as big of a name as she used to be AFAICT.


JZ - Jan 10, 2008 7:57:57 am PST #4656 of 28342
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

I am just amused that her characters seem to be well versed in obscure wildlife articles, given that they keep quoting them verbatim.

Obscure wildlife articles published a century-plus after their own deaths, no less. Truly, her characters are marvels.

I'm boggled both by the CE defenders and by the people saying, "I guess I just don't understand exactly what plagiarism is or how to avoid it." There was even one ten or twenty-post threadlet going on about how it seemed really weird to call it plagiarism since some of the works might have fallen out of copyright so what did it matter anymore? To all of that I have no words, my own or anyone else's, just amazed and outraged sputtering.


Toddson - Jan 10, 2008 7:58:51 am PST #4657 of 28342
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

Yes ... and I've sneered at her books every time I see one ever since.

But NR was also hurt - definitely emotionally, possibly financially - by the people who leapt to JD's defense. If I recall correctly, they kept telling her she was being mean ....