You were very nearly devoured by a giant demon snake. The words 'let that be a lesson' are a tad redundant at this juncture.

Giles ,'Selfless'


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There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Hayden - Oct 09, 2007 5:27:27 am PDT #4153 of 28222
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

Anything by Chandler is good. The Big Sleep is my favorite of his, but The Little Sister and The Long Goodbye are both also great. Jim Thompson's The Killer Inside Me is fantastic. From an earlier generation, I love all of Dashiell Hammett's novels, which are all short enough to practically be novellas (and his whole list of novels is Red Harvest, The Dain Curse, The Maltese Falcon, The Glass Key, and The Thin Man, right? The other works I've read by the guy are all short stories).


Nutty - Oct 09, 2007 7:13:37 am PDT #4154 of 28222
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

The Continental Op is bound as a single work these days. It's fairly obvious a set of discrete stories, though. And yes, that's it for Hammett.

To a large degree deciding what you like about The Big Sleep is what will help with recommendations. I've been having a discussion about noir plots and writers, and realized that we group together a number of writers who are quite unalike. People who like Chandler aren't actually all that likely to enjoy Hammett, if it's Chandler's use of rhetoric they like.

(For the pure crack hit of a locked-room mystery, in lugubrious 1930s style, I recommend Cornell Woolrich, the author of the original Rear Window. )

I don't think I've ever read a spy novel set after about 1980 (nor indeed necessarily published after that date), so I'd be bad at recommendations on that account. Although, really, all those retro-WWII novels are at least unlikely to be politically obnoxious, right? (Although I am clearly an outlier in spy novel taste, because I loathed The Spy Who Came In From The Cold. )


JZ - Oct 09, 2007 7:25:08 am PDT #4155 of 28222
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

People who like Chandler aren't actually all that likely to enjoy Hammett, if it's Chandler's use of rhetoric they like.

Yes, this. I've read all of Chandler a couple of times and love him to death, but (please forgive me, Corwood) I've staggered through the first two chapters of Red Harvest three or four times in the past three years and found myself paralyzed with not caring very much.

Charles Willeford is bleak and hard and cold and heartless and all his novels live in the borderland between noir and lurid-covered trash (though most of them were published on the trash side of the border), and is consequently a great deal of dark ugly fun.


Toddson - Oct 09, 2007 7:32:34 am PDT #4156 of 28222
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

For a fairly new spy novel you might like Bodyguard of Lies by Bob Doherty - I found it hard to get through the first parts but it picked up after a while.

Wasn't Cornell Woolrich credited with the naming of noir after he wrote a series of books with "black" in the title?

And for classic locked-room mysteries, there's John Dickson Carr (who also wrote as Carter Dickson and Carr Dickson) - he wrote a huge number of books, many of which I didn't like, although at his best he creates a very creepy atmosphere.

edited to close the tag


erikaj - Oct 09, 2007 9:54:14 am PDT #4157 of 28222
Always Anti-fascist!

"The Long Goodbye" is my favorite, and yeah, although I respect Hammett's place in the field, I think I'm a Chandler partisan. Which is kind of messed up for a blonde chick.


Nutty - Oct 09, 2007 10:02:42 am PDT #4158 of 28222
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Wasn't Cornell Woolrich credited with the naming of noir after he wrote a series of books with "black" in the title?

I don't know. I do have an omnibus of his stuff (not a complete works), and the only anywhere near close title is Waltz into Darkness. (Which is a period novel, ironically; it's an identity switcheroo of the 19th C.)

The conventional wisdom I've always heard has been retronymic: French cinephiles observed the film patterns and described the trend just as it was ending, in the mid-50s; once film noir entered the critical parlance, the general term roman noir and its population of novelists began to be described.

(Of the films, Black Angel is based on a Woolrich novel, and is the only "Black [X]" film title in the noir encyclopedia. There are a bunch of "Dark [X]" and "Night [X]" titles, however, including Dark City (1950), Dark Victory, The Dark Corner, The Dark Mirror, The Dark Passage, Night and the City, Nightfall, and so on.)


Hayden - Oct 09, 2007 11:49:27 am PDT #4159 of 28222
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

please forgive me, Corwood

Oh, of course. I prefer Chandler to Hammett, too, at least in literature. Gimme jaded existential mysteries over bad-tempered tough guys any old day of the week.


Toddson - Oct 09, 2007 11:53:51 am PDT #4160 of 28222
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

huh ... I read one Chandler and didn't much like it, but I've read all of Hammett and looked for more.


Scrappy - Oct 09, 2007 12:29:13 pm PDT #4161 of 28222
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

No love for Jim Thompson? Noiriest of the Noir.


erikaj - Oct 09, 2007 12:41:47 pm PDT #4162 of 28222
Always Anti-fascist!

Can't place him by name...which did he write?