It's all about choices, Faith. The ones we make, and the ones we don't. Oh, and the consequences. Those are always fun.

Angelus ,'Smile Time'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Toddson - Oct 09, 2007 7:32:34 am PDT #4156 of 28222
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

For a fairly new spy novel you might like Bodyguard of Lies by Bob Doherty - I found it hard to get through the first parts but it picked up after a while.

Wasn't Cornell Woolrich credited with the naming of noir after he wrote a series of books with "black" in the title?

And for classic locked-room mysteries, there's John Dickson Carr (who also wrote as Carter Dickson and Carr Dickson) - he wrote a huge number of books, many of which I didn't like, although at his best he creates a very creepy atmosphere.

edited to close the tag


erikaj - Oct 09, 2007 9:54:14 am PDT #4157 of 28222
Always Anti-fascist!

"The Long Goodbye" is my favorite, and yeah, although I respect Hammett's place in the field, I think I'm a Chandler partisan. Which is kind of messed up for a blonde chick.


Nutty - Oct 09, 2007 10:02:42 am PDT #4158 of 28222
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Wasn't Cornell Woolrich credited with the naming of noir after he wrote a series of books with "black" in the title?

I don't know. I do have an omnibus of his stuff (not a complete works), and the only anywhere near close title is Waltz into Darkness. (Which is a period novel, ironically; it's an identity switcheroo of the 19th C.)

The conventional wisdom I've always heard has been retronymic: French cinephiles observed the film patterns and described the trend just as it was ending, in the mid-50s; once film noir entered the critical parlance, the general term roman noir and its population of novelists began to be described.

(Of the films, Black Angel is based on a Woolrich novel, and is the only "Black [X]" film title in the noir encyclopedia. There are a bunch of "Dark [X]" and "Night [X]" titles, however, including Dark City (1950), Dark Victory, The Dark Corner, The Dark Mirror, The Dark Passage, Night and the City, Nightfall, and so on.)


Hayden - Oct 09, 2007 11:49:27 am PDT #4159 of 28222
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

please forgive me, Corwood

Oh, of course. I prefer Chandler to Hammett, too, at least in literature. Gimme jaded existential mysteries over bad-tempered tough guys any old day of the week.


Toddson - Oct 09, 2007 11:53:51 am PDT #4160 of 28222
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

huh ... I read one Chandler and didn't much like it, but I've read all of Hammett and looked for more.


Scrappy - Oct 09, 2007 12:29:13 pm PDT #4161 of 28222
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

No love for Jim Thompson? Noiriest of the Noir.


erikaj - Oct 09, 2007 12:41:47 pm PDT #4162 of 28222
Always Anti-fascist!

Can't place him by name...which did he write?


Scrappy - Oct 09, 2007 5:13:02 pm PDT #4163 of 28222
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

He wrote The Grifters, which was made into a film. Also The Getaway and After Dark, My Sweet. I like his autobiography, Bad Boy, also Pop. 1280 and The Golden Gizmo.


Jesse - Oct 09, 2007 5:17:46 pm PDT #4164 of 28222
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

The Killer Inside Me! A Hell of a Woman!

Good times, good times. I'm pretty sure I stumbled over Thompson when I decided I should be reading more literature, so started pulling the trade paper from the Mystery shelves at the library.


DavidS - Oct 09, 2007 5:20:27 pm PDT #4165 of 28222
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

The conventional wisdom I've always heard has been retronymic: French cinephiles observed the film patterns and described the trend just as it was ending, in the mid-50s; once film noir entered the critical parlance, the general term roman noir and its population of novelists began to be described.

I understood that Roman Noir preceded Film Noir as a coinage, because American hard-boiled novelists were packaged in black covered books in France.

In the same way that Italian thrillers became known as Giallo - which means yellow, and refers to the yellow covers of the source novels.