Oh, I wish those council guys would let me have an hour alone in the room with her, if I was larger and had grenades.

Willow ,'Storyteller'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


beth b - Oct 01, 2007 3:41:16 pm PDT #4108 of 28222
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

Susan a shirt you need.

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look at the Sept 29th entry - unshelved has a couple of new shirts Read irresponsibly is the best


§ ita § - Oct 01, 2007 3:52:50 pm PDT #4109 of 28222
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Have you read the first two books?

Nope. I figure I can read them now, though, since the first season was book 1, and they say they'll diverge from the book canon with season 2 (and people who've read it say they're not sure how it could be done anyway).

It'd make perfect beach reading for my vacation next week, so I hope the first two come quickly--one paper, one audio.


Nutty - Oct 01, 2007 4:19:44 pm PDT #4110 of 28222
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

"But on a more subtle level Dickens is not repeating. He is deepening, rapidly taking you through layers of images and movement that develop your sense of the character and his world almost nonverbally -- an extraordinary thing to do in a verbal medium. Dickens accomplishes this by using words to make concepts into visceral pictures, as eloquent and fluid as dream images...The images made of words transcend words to become something more primal in their affect and the apparently simple characters become conduits for essential forces that we can just glimpse in these rushing images."

I'm not feeling it. For one thing, anything liable to transcending needs to be grabbed back down to earth toot sweet, as transcendence in literary discussion tends to turn out to mean "stuff I think is cool and can't explain why". For another, using words to push primal buttons is considered bad writing as often as it is considered good.

For a third, that last sentence is a crime against punctuation, to say nothing of the nested clause.


Polter-Cow - Oct 01, 2007 4:32:25 pm PDT #4111 of 28222
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I figure I can read them now, though, since the first season was book 1, and they say they'll diverge from the book canon with season 2 (and people who've read it say they're not sure how it could be done anyway).

Oh, yeah, I know about most of the major changes from the book, so I know that season 2 != book 2 at all, but it's still the same characters, and there's always the chance they could pull things from the books in other ways.

It'd make perfect beach reading

Buffistas are different from other people.


DavidS - Oct 01, 2007 5:03:58 pm PDT #4112 of 28222
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

For another, using words to push primal buttons is considered bad writing as often as it is considered good.

Since when? I think primal button pushing is an entirely legitimate aesthetic function.


Nutty - Oct 01, 2007 5:07:51 pm PDT #4113 of 28222
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Obviously, David, you do not read fanfic.


DavidS - Oct 01, 2007 5:14:05 pm PDT #4114 of 28222
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Obviously, David, you do not read fanfic.

It is true that I have yet to make the proper critical appreciation of Dickens through the lens of SGA wingfic.

However, much art has been designed to fuck with those buttons either through a clever manipulation of them (like say...Hitchcock) or by total sensory overwhelm (like say...the Velvet Underground live in 1967).

"Transcendent" is suspect but I do think she's correct in diagnosing the weird vitality in Dickens language and his imagery which is larded on and on and on until I do think it works on you in an atypical fashion.


§ ita § - Oct 01, 2007 5:16:46 pm PDT #4115 of 28222
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Buffistas are different from other people.

My last beach vacation involved watching Dexter on my video iPod, so I'm gonna low-tech it a bit this time.


sarameg - Oct 01, 2007 5:18:26 pm PDT #4116 of 28222

IT HAZ WURDZ? I READZ IT.

OK, so sometimes I don't always like it, and sometimes it is baaaad, but for the most part, I do get some entertainment value from it, if not intellectual stimulus. Be it modern novels, romance, scifi, spythriller, mystery, bio, nonfic, analysis, whodunnit, history, althistory, whatever. Basically, I'm a reading whore. If it's well written (and ofttimes even not, but has some other hook) I'm going to read it.

eta: I do have a hardtime with fanfic. Not sure what the block is there. Isn't the writing.

Though I can't read Cormac McCarthy. I tried, I really did. But I couldn't. My mother can't figure this out. We usually overlap, and she thought we would here.


Consuela - Oct 01, 2007 5:31:21 pm PDT #4117 of 28222
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Isn't the writing.

Probably the self-indulgence. Not all fic is overtly self-indulgent, but a lot of it is, so much that the indulgence and the explicit emo-porn are what has come to define the genre for me.