Tact is just not saying true stuff. I'll pass.

Cordelia ,'Dirty Girls'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


-t - Jun 27, 2020 6:52:02 am PDT #25967 of 28176
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Right? So good.

I typically read one book with my eyes and have another book going on audio to basically fall asleep to (and then relisten to that chapter the next day while I do something that only needs half my attention). I've gotten well sucked into the world of The Angel of the Crows and am really enjoying recognizing Holmes canon, so I decided that having Belgravia also knocking around in my recent memory would get too confusing and switched over to a fairy tale audiobook. TAofC is a really interesting take on Holmes - for one thing the Holmes and Watson characters are not named Holmes and Watson but I still tend to think of them that way to the extent that when they are called by their actual in universe names it momentarily startled me. The adventures are really quite faithful although the world they take place in is very different, which is super interesting to me. And there seem to be questions of identity developing which I am generally very into


Amy - Jun 27, 2020 7:26:53 am PDT #25968 of 28176
Because books.

In literary gossip, what's the deal with this Elizabeth Bear/Alexandra Rowland stuff? I saw Consuela post something on Twitter believing Rowland, which is good to know since I trust Consuela's judgment; otherwise I'm just curious about what this particular blowup is all about.

And were there other issues this week, too? I keep seeing subtweets in book Twitter but I've been oblivious due to work.


DavidS - Jun 27, 2020 7:45:50 am PDT #25969 of 28176
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Right here, Amy: [link]


-t - Jun 27, 2020 7:59:13 am PDT #25970 of 28176
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I missed all that (not really on twitter) but now I have googled - that seems like a giant mess.

I like Rowland's books better than Bear's (have not read or honestly ever heard of Lynch before) so that colors my opinion.


Dana - Jun 27, 2020 8:03:58 am PDT #25971 of 28176
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

I think "giant mess" is correct.


Consuela - Jun 27, 2020 8:05:28 am PDT #25972 of 28176
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I have learned a bit more about the controversy: it appears that Scott Lynch may have been playing both women against each other. There are still significant issues with power differentials and Bear has in the past used her popularity & success against people, but it sounds like she may well be the victim of Lynch's manipulations nearly as much as Rowland is.

Or as someone on another forum put it: poly drama with an overlay of power & manipulation. I believe Rowland experienced what she claims, but I'm not convinced Bear is the only party here who should carry blame.

And it is interesting how much public attention is on Bear instead of Lynch...


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 27, 2020 8:22:06 am PDT #25973 of 28176
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

It does seem that Bear is the one trying to smear other writers professionally by involving outside parties, so I think she deserves any pushback she's getting over it.


-t - Jun 27, 2020 8:28:42 am PDT #25974 of 28176
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

That is pretty much where my googling got me, Consuela. Lynch seems to be the one who has explicitly acted badly in everyone's accounts even without getting into who was manipulated


Dana - Jun 27, 2020 8:47:03 am PDT #25975 of 28176
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

I know plenty of people who've been hurt by Bear, but there also seem to be stories about people who've been hurt by Rowland too. I don't know anything about Lynch.


Amy - Jun 27, 2020 8:47:31 am PDT #25976 of 28176
Because books.

Yeah, giant mess seems to be on the nose.