Or maybe you could just be Buffy, he'll see your amazing heart, and he'll fall in love with you.

Xander ,'Get It Done'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Polter-Cow - Nov 15, 2013 9:52:47 am PST #21630 of 28370
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Right. Including Toni Morrison is textbook exceptionalism, not a redefining of capital-L "Literature."

I was surprised to see more POC than expected when I looked at the list of all Nobel Prizes in Literature. I thought Toni Morrison was, like, the only one ever, which is why David called her out, but there are several.


Kat - Nov 15, 2013 12:07:39 pm PST #21631 of 28370
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

It's mostly Straight White Dude Angst, but the line for me usually falls between Books They Will Give Nobels and Bookers To

Except the Booker is more apt to be non white guys than the Nobels (probably because it is for the book not the author's body of work). Hence a historical fiction turning Thomas Cromwell into an amazingly page-turning bromance is a Booker winner. Twice.

I think the Capital-L literature is more about un-fun character studies as opposed to fiction which is about engaging plots. It's like oatmeal books vs. cheeseburger books.


§ ita § - Nov 18, 2013 7:24:13 am PST #21632 of 28370
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I missed that Doris Lessing died yesterday: [link]


Amy - Nov 19, 2013 11:41:39 am PST #21633 of 28370
Because books.

I don't disagree with the author's points about Twilight, but I think she completely misses the mark when it comes to Katniss Everdeen. And as much as I love Little Women (and I still do), her ideas about Jo March really don't seem to consider that Jo is a trailblazer only within a very limited framework.

Grumble grumble.


§ ita § - Nov 19, 2013 12:25:44 pm PST #21634 of 28370
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Katniss didn't transcend? That's an odd stance to take. I think there's a lot she didn't do that you might ask out of a hero's journey, but she transcended okay for me.


le nubian - Nov 19, 2013 12:36:59 pm PST #21635 of 28370
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Mockingjay's ending is problematic from a character development perspective though. In terms of the author's thesis - that Katniss did not have dreams that transcended her current circumstance, I probably would not agree with that. Initially, she wanted to survive and ensure the safety of her sister. After that, I think she was trying to protect her sister and Gale and Peeta and then eventually the whole government/oppression became her enemy .


Amy - Nov 19, 2013 12:39:42 pm PST #21636 of 28370
Because books.

I don't know -- I think Katniss did what felt right to her partly out of obligation, not necessarily because it was the only option open to her. (I'm talking about the very end there.)

I also think when you're working with a world with a certain population is starved and desperate, and children are made to fight to the death, what you need to transcend initially is death, and the death of your loved ones. Katniss didn't change the whole world, but she made a pretty big mark given what she was working with.


le nubian - Nov 19, 2013 2:57:00 pm PST #21637 of 28370
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Amy,

I agree with you. I kind of feel like I didn't like Collins' writing to bring us to that point though.


Consuela - Nov 20, 2013 6:53:07 am PST #21638 of 28370
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Every single death in A Song of Ice and Fire: [link]


hippocampus - Nov 20, 2013 7:32:51 am PST #21639 of 28370
not your mom's socks.

beat me to it, Consuela. That is amazing.

In other (less deadly) books, I interviewed the author of A River of No Return about time travel and food today: [link]