She growls?! You made her so she growls?!

Buffy ,'Get It Done'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Volans - Nov 15, 2012 11:58:14 am PST #20099 of 28344
move out and draw fire

tea:

What a neat bday present, sumi!


DavidS - Nov 18, 2012 10:28:04 am PST #20100 of 28344
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

An intriguing essay by a horror writer and fan on The Trouble With Horror. Useful also as a reading list of great horror novels.


JZ - Nov 19, 2012 10:26:12 am PST #20101 of 28344
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Ta-Nehisi Coates's blog is currently giving me genre literature shudderfits -- he asked the Horde for help because he was having difficulty getting into The Big Sleep, feeling that although it's very witty the plot just doesn't hang together and the mystery doesn't make sense. The Other Noir fans got there before the Chandler fans did (one of the latter muttered, "We must have all been nursing our hangovers"), and most of the advice seems to run along the lines of, "Put it down, and go read Hammett instead."

Granted, if you really, really want to like classic noir and really, really don't like Chandler, "read Hammett instead" isn't bad advice, but GOOD GOD, MAN, whatever possessed you to read Chandler for the plot? He has many virtues as a writer, but plot is exactly none of them; if you're itching for a seamlessly crafted, faultlessly balanced and logical mystery Chandler is about the last guy you should be going to. How is this not a truth universally acknowledged?


§ ita § - Nov 19, 2012 10:34:07 am PST #20102 of 28344
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

How is this not a truth universally acknowledged?

Because lots of people don't know that? I mean, why should he? Isn't it fair to pick up a book by a renowned but not all that presently trendy author and expect a plot to hang together? Or are people that expert in Chandler before they read him for the first time?


JZ - Nov 19, 2012 10:43:47 am PST #20103 of 28344
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Well, he's been watching noirs for a while, and he is himself a writer and editor who reads a lot, including reading writers writing about other writers, so... yeah, I am mildly surprised that he didn't know the basic geography before plunging in.

I'm not faulting him, exactly -- it's a genre, not mainstream general interest, with its own separate rules and conventions. I'm more amused than anything else (except at the Chandler-bashers, who can go soak their heads), because once you do dig into the genre at all it's such an unremarkable given.


sj - Nov 19, 2012 11:07:51 am PST #20104 of 28344
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

JZ, I love that story about how when they were filming the Big Sleep they couldn't figure out who had killed the driver (I think that is who it was) so they called Chandler, who also had no idea.


erikaj - Nov 19, 2012 11:53:28 am PST #20105 of 28344
Always Anti-fascist!

Well, he drank. I also don't think the rules mattered a whole hell of a lot. My grandfather used to drink and call for the cancellation of Alfred Hitchcock presents every Sunday. My grandpa's main problem may have been lack of internet. That said, I prefer "The Long Goodbye" to "The Big Sleep." By Chandler standards, it's very cohesive. Hammett lovers dig him, and we pinko communists do have to stick up for each other, but I have to say I like Marlowe better than Sam Spade.


Steph L. - Nov 19, 2012 11:57:35 am PST #20106 of 28344
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

My grandpa's main problem may have been lack of internet.

My grandpa was involved in local politics, and also drank mind-boggling amounts of whiskey. And he would get on the phone, all drunk out of his mind, and call up his politician buddies.

He would have been a terror if he had the internet.


DavidS - Nov 19, 2012 12:06:43 pm PST #20107 of 28344
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

JZ, I love that story about how when they were filming the Big Sleep

Two of the "they" being William Faulkner and Leigh Brackett.


sj - Nov 19, 2012 12:08:57 pm PST #20108 of 28344
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Two of the "they" being William Faulkner and Leigh Brackett.

Yes, I forgot about that part.