Angel: He is dead. Technically, he's undead. It's a zombie. Connor: What's a zombie? Angel: It's an undead thing. Connor: Like you? Angel: No, zombies are slow-moving, dimwitted things that crave human flesh. Connor: Like you. Angel: No! It's different. Trust me.

'Destiny'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


§ ita § - Nov 19, 2012 10:34:07 am PST #20102 of 28344
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

How is this not a truth universally acknowledged?

Because lots of people don't know that? I mean, why should he? Isn't it fair to pick up a book by a renowned but not all that presently trendy author and expect a plot to hang together? Or are people that expert in Chandler before they read him for the first time?


JZ - Nov 19, 2012 10:43:47 am PST #20103 of 28344
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Well, he's been watching noirs for a while, and he is himself a writer and editor who reads a lot, including reading writers writing about other writers, so... yeah, I am mildly surprised that he didn't know the basic geography before plunging in.

I'm not faulting him, exactly -- it's a genre, not mainstream general interest, with its own separate rules and conventions. I'm more amused than anything else (except at the Chandler-bashers, who can go soak their heads), because once you do dig into the genre at all it's such an unremarkable given.


sj - Nov 19, 2012 11:07:51 am PST #20104 of 28344
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

JZ, I love that story about how when they were filming the Big Sleep they couldn't figure out who had killed the driver (I think that is who it was) so they called Chandler, who also had no idea.


erikaj - Nov 19, 2012 11:53:28 am PST #20105 of 28344
Always Anti-fascist!

Well, he drank. I also don't think the rules mattered a whole hell of a lot. My grandfather used to drink and call for the cancellation of Alfred Hitchcock presents every Sunday. My grandpa's main problem may have been lack of internet. That said, I prefer "The Long Goodbye" to "The Big Sleep." By Chandler standards, it's very cohesive. Hammett lovers dig him, and we pinko communists do have to stick up for each other, but I have to say I like Marlowe better than Sam Spade.


Steph L. - Nov 19, 2012 11:57:35 am PST #20106 of 28344
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

My grandpa's main problem may have been lack of internet.

My grandpa was involved in local politics, and also drank mind-boggling amounts of whiskey. And he would get on the phone, all drunk out of his mind, and call up his politician buddies.

He would have been a terror if he had the internet.


DavidS - Nov 19, 2012 12:06:43 pm PST #20107 of 28344
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

JZ, I love that story about how when they were filming the Big Sleep

Two of the "they" being William Faulkner and Leigh Brackett.


sj - Nov 19, 2012 12:08:57 pm PST #20108 of 28344
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Two of the "they" being William Faulkner and Leigh Brackett.

Yes, I forgot about that part.


Ginger - Nov 19, 2012 12:11:06 pm PST #20109 of 28344
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

You beat me to it, David. I see it as a lot more Brackett than Faulkner. Screenwriting doesn't really suit a man who can write a three-page sentence.


DavidS - Nov 19, 2012 12:11:40 pm PST #20110 of 28344
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Yes, I forgot about that part.

That's the most interesting part! I'm a big Leigh Brackett fan.


DavidS - Nov 19, 2012 12:13:18 pm PST #20111 of 28344
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I see it as a lot more Brackett than Faulkner. Screenwriting doesn't really suit a man who can write a three-page sentence.

I reckon he could crank out a wrestling scenario for a Wallace Beery B-picture if called upon.

But yeah, that kind of pulp is right in Leigh's wheelhouse.