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Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Consuela - Jul 10, 2012 6:01:02 pm PDT #19317 of 28343
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

t sits with Ginger

I really dislike Hardy and James. I rather like Hemingway, though, despite the hypermasculinity. He can tell a story, and his sentences don't go on for pages.

Jilli, you will be happy to hear that my book club, in honor of Bradbury's death, is reading Something Wicked This Way Comes this month. And I must admit that I'd forgotten how fabulous his prose could be. The small calliope inside the carousel machinery rattle-snapped its nervous-stallion shivering drums, clashed its harvest-moon cymbals, toothed its castanets, and throatily choked and sobbed its reeds, whistles, and baroque flutes.

How splendid is that, after all?


Atropa - Jul 10, 2012 6:04:17 pm PDT #19318 of 28343
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

sighs happily

It's such a wonderful, lush book!

I think one of the reasons I cherish Something Wicked This Way Comes so much is that Charles Halloway has always, always reminded me of my dad.


DavidS - Jul 10, 2012 6:08:03 pm PDT #19319 of 28343
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

How splendid is that, after all?

'Tis splendid. But horribly inaccurate! The musical instrument in a carousel isn't the calliope, but a band organ, which is basically like a giant player piano/organ with added percussion and tootling horns. It runs off a giant, folded up piece of paper (like the paper rolls on a player piano).

I'll guess we'll let this one slide, Mr. Bradbury what with you being a genius and all and the book being so awesome, but a little research didn't hurt anybody.

A proper calliope (pronounced Kally-ope) is a steam driven organ - usually (though not exclusively) on the circus train that's so loud it can be heard five miles away. It's there to announce the arrival of the circus and drum up business. It can also be on a large truck with an attached steam power.

A band organ at play.

t /circus geek


smonster - Jul 10, 2012 6:20:30 pm PDT #19320 of 28343
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

A proper calliope (pronounced Kally-ope) is a steam driven organ - usually (though not exclusively) on the circus train that's so loud it can be heard five miles away. It's there to announce the arrival of the circus and drum up business. It can also be on a large truck with an attached steam power.

Or a steamboat. And I can attest that you can hear it from quite a distance, but that one also has the river to bounce off of. [link]


DavidS - Jul 10, 2012 6:20:48 pm PDT #19321 of 28343
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Sorry, didn't mean to be a Bradbury buzzkill

But somebody was wrong on the internet in the fantasy canon!


Typo Boy - Jul 10, 2012 6:48:52 pm PDT #19322 of 28343
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I rather like Hemingway, though, despite the hypermasculinity. He can tell a story, and his sentences don't go on for pages.

That makes at least two of us. Wonder if there are any others. In my experience most Buffistas loathe Hemingway.


-t - Jul 10, 2012 6:56:00 pm PDT #19323 of 28343
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I like Hemingway. Not enough to want to find and read everything he wrote, but what I have read I liked fine.

It always tickled me to hear the calliope playing on the river when I was on Calliope St.


JZ - Jul 10, 2012 6:56:52 pm PDT #19324 of 28343
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

During my brief encounter with Hemingway, I found him kind of tedious--I'm definitely an utter whore for elaborate, positively rococo literary style and to the best of my recollection his sentences seemed to plonk along leadenly. Which is, of course, itself a very conscious literary choice, but not one that especially resonates with me. Or, resonated -- I mostly read the fishing stories, mostly in high school. I should give him another try.


Kat - Jul 10, 2012 7:44:11 pm PDT #19325 of 28343
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I think all writing is cilantro. I mean, there will be people who actively resist and resent any writer because it's not their cup of tea. That's to be encouraged, I guess.

I think the biggest divide is that there are people who read for plot and people who read for character and people who read for language and people who love it in various percentages. Most readers, myself included, are plot readers. We are the reason for the success of thrillers and Harry Potter and almost all bestsellers. We plot readers love to know what is happening next, even if the characters are a bit flat.

The people who love the character development are different creatures. They are the ones who don't care if nothing happens. They don't mind the flawed asshole characters. They dig the nuances. (Shakespeare, IMO, excellent character development with ludicrous plot).

The language people are the ones who often stop to admire the beauty of what is written. They read Franzen and are arrested by the way he uses words. They don't care that the characters are foolish and the plot (is there one?) is thin.


Typo Boy - Jul 10, 2012 8:11:25 pm PDT #19326 of 28343
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I agree with the everything is cilantro. But I'm not sure anyone is pure plot or pure character or pure language. I want everything. And I enjoy world building too which is different from plot. Also even there we can differ. JZ finds Hemingway's language leaden, where I find it close to poetry! We both enjoy language but we see this particular instance very differently.

BTW, I think to like Tolkein you have to enjoy world building equally with plot and character.

I have dipped into Thursday. It has very little of the stuff that sometimes enraged me about Chesterton, but it just does not grab me.