Coming late to the discussion. I guess I'm uncomfortable because of the contrast of the generalization of what writers *should* do vs the very personal experience I have when I read. And write. I'm quite happy and comfortable saying 'no, not for me.' I'm comfortable asking questions about what the narrative did and didn't do. Those are personal things. Not general expectations or a philosophy that I hold up to writing in general, because I've read long enough to know that writing will find a way to show me a different side to those expectations or philosophy.
I'm not sure how old he is, but I heard him use the word 'newfangled' one time, so he's gotta be pretty far gone.
Dawn ,'Beneath You'
Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.
There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."
hippocampus - May 25, 2012 2:03:23 am PDT #18983 of 28333
not your mom's socks.
chrismg - May 25, 2012 5:39:56 am PDT #18984 of 28333
"...and then Legolas and the Hulk destroy the entire Greek army." - Penny Arcade
I'm just going to sum up like so: I see the treatment of the female characters in the story as fitting into a pattern of marginalization, and seeing that pattern(plus some of what Typo talks about above) damages my ability to enjoy the story.
That's all. Anything that sounds like I'm telling writers how to write is just me blowing hot air.
erikaj - May 25, 2012 6:25:42 am PDT #18985 of 28333
Always Anti-fascist!
Chris, I kind of struggle with that stuff a lot. Because I love crime shows, but in my real life, I try to be all about civil liberties and things like that.But it would have been a boring show if Raylan Givens(whom I'm all about lately) had read Tommy Bucks his rights, or worse, did what he would have to do in real life, admit he had no jurisdiction.On that level, him killing the mobster is horrifying and abuse of power and whatnot.But I have to admit, when it happened on the screen in LeonardWorld, I was all about it. See, also, Ava making her husband a nice dinner than blowing his head off cause he hit her that one time too often.
§ ita § - May 25, 2012 6:56:06 am PDT #18986 of 28333
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Wow. Interesting.
This just rocketed up my list of books that I won't actually read soon but intend to. I'm not sure if the issue is that you're "not supposed" to tell that part of the story, or in how you tell it. Also, there are many levels of authorial endorsement you may or may not get from the telling of any story, and I'm not seeing from anyone that Gaiman wrote it like he though tit was nifty and everyone should give it a try, or even like he endorsed it in any way.
Jessica - May 25, 2012 7:33:20 am PDT #18987 of 28333
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Gaiman wrote it like he though tit was nifty and everyone should give it a try
Is everyone too distracted by Natter to point out this typo? PEOPLE I AM DISAPPOINTED IN YOU.
§ ita § - May 25, 2012 7:34:32 am PDT #18988 of 28333
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
OMG, who hasn't tried tit that's going to because Gaiman said it was cool? That's totes played out.
Matt the Bruins fan - May 25, 2012 12:08:18 pm PDT #18989 of 28333
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Yeah, not that much of a Gaiman fanboy.
§ ita § - May 25, 2012 1:16:18 pm PDT #18990 of 28333
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Is it up to me then?
Typo Boy - May 25, 2012 3:50:09 pm PDT #18991 of 28333
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Amanda will kill you if you try anything.
Atropa - May 25, 2012 6:36:56 pm PDT #18992 of 28333
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.
Amanda will kill you if you try anything.
Ha! Amanda would probably elbow Neil out of the way so she could make out with ita.