Sometimes when I'm sitting in class... You know, I'm not thinking about class, 'cause that would never happen. I think about kissing you. And it's like everything stops. It's like, it's like freeze frame. Willow kissage.

Oz ,'First Date'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


JZ - Jan 05, 2012 9:05:36 am PST #17329 of 28277
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Othello as a one-man show?

Sort of, except with a wife and small child along for the ride.

The Way We Live Now is also a pretty good standalone.

And, yeah, the Palliser series is great, but since it's many thousands of pages of series, I hesitate to recommend the whole thing to a complete newbie.

(However, it's also crucial to AVOID the abridged Palliser series -- there was an excellent BBC miniseries in the '70s, a lovely thing in and of itself but accompanied by an abomination of a novelization, in which the condenser hacked out all the slow sluggish non-plot-advancing vignettes that did nothing but add richness and nuance to the characters. Unfortunately, character nuance is Trollope's greatest strength and, by his own admission, his plots were very very average at best. So reading a Trollope series stripped down to its plotty bare bones is like trying to choke down a bowl of dry flour and being told it's French toast stripped down to its essence.)


Connie Neil - Jan 05, 2012 9:11:02 am PST #17330 of 28277
brillig

Thanks, JZ. I'll start with the Eustace Diamonds. Are there any that you would not recommend?


JZ - Jan 05, 2012 9:16:34 am PST #17331 of 28277
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

The Small House at Allington has always irritated the hell out of me, and I think the premise of Can You Forgive Her? can be difficult for modern audiences to swallow. If you've read and loved a few Trollopes already and you're comfortable entering his world and accepting the prejudices and limitations of the people in it, it's sympathetic and painful and heartbreaking, but it's definitely something that will leave a bad taste in your mouth if it's the first Trollope you read.

Small House at Allington I've just got nothing good to say about; it's fast paced and eminently readable, but the main characters make me go so HULK SMASH I can't even be rational about the good points.


megan walker - Jan 05, 2012 10:25:09 am PST #17332 of 28277
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

I've marked JZ's posts for future reference. I feel like I would like Trollope, but the length is so daunting.


DavidS - Jan 05, 2012 10:43:14 am PST #17333 of 28277
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

At the first Chicago F2F JZ and erinaceous got into a corner and geebled about Trollope for a good long time.


Fred Pete - Jan 05, 2012 12:16:24 pm PST #17334 of 28277
Ann, that's a ferret.

Isn't The Eustace Diamonds the first of the Palliser novels? Loved the (really, really long) series

That was the first Trollope I read, and Lizzie Eustace is one of the great characteres. But Can You Forgive Her? is actually the first Palliser. And pretty good as a stand-alone -- but in connection with JZ's comment, you need a certain grounding in (and tolerance for) middle class Victorian social norms.

Second The Way We Live Now, but it's very long.

The Fixed Period is shorter but not representative of Trollope's work. It's actually SF -- the basic plot is similar to Logan's Run. No, not kidding.

For something of a manageable length that's representative -- I'm not sure I could go with one. Orley Farm is good, but maybe longer than you'd like.


Ginger - Jan 05, 2012 12:21:50 pm PST #17335 of 28277
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I know I'm picky about my apocalypses, but this [link] seems particularly unrealistic and anvil filled.


Connie Neil - Jan 05, 2012 1:24:27 pm PST #17336 of 28277
brillig

I've downloaded the whole series that begins with The Warden, so we'll see how that goes.


JZ - Jan 05, 2012 1:37:58 pm PST #17337 of 28277
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

The Warden is a sweet little book, but if it starts to bore you then feel free to skip ahead to Barchester Towers, which is quite a bit livelier (and the first Trollope I read -- everything builds tightly from there on out and thenceforth you've really got to read it all in sequence, but it is possible to start the series with the second book if the first one really doesn't grab you).


megan walker - Jan 05, 2012 2:51:25 pm PST #17338 of 28277
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

feel free to skip ahead

It seems like English and yet...

Naturally, the only Trollope I've read is The Warden.