A year and a half ago, I could have eviscerated him with my thoughts. Now I can barely hurt his feelings. Things used to be so much simpler.

Anya ,'Dirty Girls'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


JZ - Jan 05, 2012 8:51:05 am PST #17326 of 28277
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

I love Framley Parsonage; in the midst of her pain and longing and confusion, the heroine is such a deliciously snarky little wiseass (Trollope consciously modeled her after As You Like It's Rosalind).

The Eustace Diamonds is lively and fast-moving and has an enjoyably loathesome yet pitiable anti-heroine.

And He Knew He Was Right is harrowing and loaded with assumptions about the till-death-do-you-partness of marriage, but a great, great read about a weak, pasty young Othello who has a really pretty fantastic life and methodically destroys it, and his own sanity, essentially acting as his own Iago. Not by any means a fun read, but very gripping, and for anyone who's been caught in that ugly spiral of self-hate and paranoia egging each other on it's uncomfortably dead-on.


Toddson - Jan 05, 2012 8:56:07 am PST #17327 of 28277
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

Othello as a one-man show?

Isn't The Eustace Diamonds the first of the Palliser novels? Loved the (really, really long) series.


sj - Jan 05, 2012 8:59:55 am PST #17328 of 28277
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

The Eustace Diamonds is lively and fast-moving and has an enjoyably loathesome yet pitiable anti-heroine.

I just added this to my kindle. I love "buying" books for free.


JZ - Jan 05, 2012 9:05:36 am PST #17329 of 28277
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Othello as a one-man show?

Sort of, except with a wife and small child along for the ride.

The Way We Live Now is also a pretty good standalone.

And, yeah, the Palliser series is great, but since it's many thousands of pages of series, I hesitate to recommend the whole thing to a complete newbie.

(However, it's also crucial to AVOID the abridged Palliser series -- there was an excellent BBC miniseries in the '70s, a lovely thing in and of itself but accompanied by an abomination of a novelization, in which the condenser hacked out all the slow sluggish non-plot-advancing vignettes that did nothing but add richness and nuance to the characters. Unfortunately, character nuance is Trollope's greatest strength and, by his own admission, his plots were very very average at best. So reading a Trollope series stripped down to its plotty bare bones is like trying to choke down a bowl of dry flour and being told it's French toast stripped down to its essence.)


Connie Neil - Jan 05, 2012 9:11:02 am PST #17330 of 28277
brillig

Thanks, JZ. I'll start with the Eustace Diamonds. Are there any that you would not recommend?


JZ - Jan 05, 2012 9:16:34 am PST #17331 of 28277
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

The Small House at Allington has always irritated the hell out of me, and I think the premise of Can You Forgive Her? can be difficult for modern audiences to swallow. If you've read and loved a few Trollopes already and you're comfortable entering his world and accepting the prejudices and limitations of the people in it, it's sympathetic and painful and heartbreaking, but it's definitely something that will leave a bad taste in your mouth if it's the first Trollope you read.

Small House at Allington I've just got nothing good to say about; it's fast paced and eminently readable, but the main characters make me go so HULK SMASH I can't even be rational about the good points.


megan walker - Jan 05, 2012 10:25:09 am PST #17332 of 28277
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

I've marked JZ's posts for future reference. I feel like I would like Trollope, but the length is so daunting.


DavidS - Jan 05, 2012 10:43:14 am PST #17333 of 28277
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

At the first Chicago F2F JZ and erinaceous got into a corner and geebled about Trollope for a good long time.


Fred Pete - Jan 05, 2012 12:16:24 pm PST #17334 of 28277
Ann, that's a ferret.

Isn't The Eustace Diamonds the first of the Palliser novels? Loved the (really, really long) series

That was the first Trollope I read, and Lizzie Eustace is one of the great characteres. But Can You Forgive Her? is actually the first Palliser. And pretty good as a stand-alone -- but in connection with JZ's comment, you need a certain grounding in (and tolerance for) middle class Victorian social norms.

Second The Way We Live Now, but it's very long.

The Fixed Period is shorter but not representative of Trollope's work. It's actually SF -- the basic plot is similar to Logan's Run. No, not kidding.

For something of a manageable length that's representative -- I'm not sure I could go with one. Orley Farm is good, but maybe longer than you'd like.


Ginger - Jan 05, 2012 12:21:50 pm PST #17335 of 28277
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I know I'm picky about my apocalypses, but this [link] seems particularly unrealistic and anvil filled.