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Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


megan walker - Mar 14, 2011 5:06:14 pm PDT #14102 of 28286
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

I imagine one reason Simenon is so high on that list (and he is huge in Europe) is that he was extraordinarily prolific. He wrote over 200 novels, many of them based around his dectective Maigret character. His novels are often turned into TV films, sort of like all the BBC and Agatha Christies telefilms.

Monsieur Hire with Sandrine Bonnaire is probably the best known feature film adapted from his work (and it's a remake of Panique, which is from the 40s).

Oddly enough, I was looking up Jules Verne novels this weekend and came across a list of the most translated authors, where I had never heard of #5, a children's author (a few of her series were familiar but the name meant nothing).

Disney Productions
Agatha Christie
Jules Verne
William Shakespeare
Enid Blyton
Vladimir Lenin
Barbara Cartland
Danielle Steel
Hans Christian Andersen
Stephen King


Dana - Mar 14, 2011 5:08:36 pm PDT #14103 of 28286
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Huh, you'd never heard of Enid Blyton? It's not often I get the drop on any of you guys.

I love the BBC Poirot and Marple adaptations because they're like CSI or Law and Order, where actors you know constantly turn up.


§ ita § - Mar 14, 2011 5:12:21 pm PDT #14104 of 28286
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Oh, god, Enid Blyton wrote everything. EVERYTHING. I don't think there was a more prolific kids and YA author that I was into as a kid. Every fucking series of hers, except the Noddy ones, because they were too young. But The Faraway Tree? Famous Five? Secret Seven? Her boarding school series? Stuff of my childhood.

I have heard of Maigret, but I didn't know who the author was.


Amy - Mar 14, 2011 5:14:42 pm PDT #14105 of 28286
Because books.

I didn't hear of Blyton until a few years ago, but I'm not sure her books were in print here when I was a kid. The older books I was reading then were usually my mom's -- Cherry Ames mysteries, the Beany Malone books, The Five Little Peppers.

I'd heard of Maigret, too, but not the author.


megan walker - Mar 14, 2011 5:24:11 pm PDT #14106 of 28286
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

Huh, you'd never heard of Enid Blyton? It's not often I get the drop on any of you guys.

Well, it's not like my mother had any familiarity with British or American children's literature so my exposure to it is pretty random. Of course, that instead meant early exposure to Tintin, Astérix, and Le Petit Nicolas and I think I'm fine with that. Also, lots of Babar.


DavidS - Mar 14, 2011 5:25:24 pm PDT #14107 of 28286
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Simenon is one of those mystery writers who gets literary respect and treatment. He's had a fair number of his books reissued by the New York Review of Books imprint. He wrote the Maigret novels, but also works of "hard" street crime which are well regarded.

It was from reading a post by Herself at her LJ that made me realize the dividing line for the distinction of literary fiction and genre fiction and why there's a bit of a disconnect.

It's that literary fiction is (ostensibly) much more concerned with writing at the level of the sentence. Language is paramount over story or character. This is something of a legacy from Modernism. Which is why Balanchine is a Modernist choreographer -he's about the formal elements of ballet (the shapes that bodies make), not the story. Abstract expressionism is concerned with paint-on-canvas rather than representation. It's all about pure forms and discarding the 19th century legacy of kludgy ornamentation.

I've been boggled at times when people dismiss out of hand this emphasis on language in writing: "I only care about the story! I don't care if there are a couple cliches dropped in to move that forward" because its so contrary to what I was taught. Some people tend to think of that well-wrought language to be the curlicues on the structure, or the frosting. Whereas from an academic POV that's the main thing.

But that's how most people read. For the story and the characters. To be immersed in narrative. But that's not what's studied in schools.


Strega - Mar 14, 2011 5:59:46 pm PDT #14108 of 28286

I knew it was IO9 and I went there anyway, so it's my own fault, but someone should tell Literary Fiction Guy that there's also a basic grammatical error in the first fucking sentence. And that's far from the only one, but I got distracted by the fact that he seems to have a serious problem ending his sentences.

Last week I was ranting about how if I'm supposed to take web publications seriously, it would really help if the editors proofread the articles they posted and, y'know, EDITED. Even good writers make mistakes. But he is not a good writer, and he seems to assume anecdotes are universal truths, and those things combined make it difficult for me to follow his argument. Now I'm going to mark up a copy of that for my own satisfaction because, jesus.


§ ita § - Mar 14, 2011 6:03:36 pm PDT #14109 of 28286
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I knew it was IO9 and I went there anyway

To be fair, that's not written by IO9 staff, and is of a much lower SPAG level than most of their articles, as well as them not fixing it in response to user comments.

I do think posting an article that is about high selling books and misspells what it deems a household name...is there some reason it was printed verbatim?


§ ita § - Mar 14, 2011 6:14:29 pm PDT #14110 of 28286
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Well, it's not like my mother had any familiarity with British or American children's literature so my exposure to it is pretty random.

Now that I think about that...neither does mine. But she had little to no control over what YA books I read, and a reasonably small amount over anything I read past age seven or so. Then it was all on everyone around me, because it was their shit I was stealing.


Strega - Mar 14, 2011 7:40:01 pm PDT #14111 of 28286

To be fair, that's not written by IO9 staff,

But surely that should be a cue to give it more editorial attention? Or any?

I think it's an extreme case, but I've gotten that first-draft-is-good-enough feel pretty consistently from all of the Gawker sites (and plenty of other content farms) and I just can't believe there's any serious editorial review. Which is why I usually avoid them now; if they don't value their own content, why should I?

I feel badly for the writers. They're learning how to meet deadlines, I suppose, but a good editor can teach you to be a much better writer, and they aren't getting that.