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Willow ,'Potential'


Literary Buffistas 3: Don't Parse the Blurb, Dear.

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


Ginger - Jan 01, 2010 4:00:31 pm PST #10717 of 28370
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

It's children's literature only in the sense that a child is the main protagonist.


DavidS - Jan 01, 2010 4:08:10 pm PST #10718 of 28370
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

but I now fail to understand why organized religion didn't join together for an ecumenical burning at the stake.

Well, they did successfully kill the movie.


§ ita § - Jan 01, 2010 4:21:00 pm PST #10719 of 28370
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The increasing anti-religious tone really soured me on the storytelling. It made me sad.


Beverly - Jan 01, 2010 4:30:33 pm PST #10720 of 28370
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I'm not sure Pullman's anti-religious tone was any more pernicious than Lewis' Christian allegory, though.


sarameg - Jan 01, 2010 4:39:59 pm PST #10721 of 28370

I'm not sure Pullman's anti-religious tone was any more pernicious than Lewis' Christian allegory, though.

Yeah, that didn't ping me (in either Pullman or Lewis,) so I was kinda surprised by the reactions to them when I found 'em later. I tend to just sink into the author's mythologies when the story engages me.


Steph L. - Jan 01, 2010 5:36:23 pm PST #10722 of 28370
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I -- seriously -- didn't pick up on the Christ symbolism in The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe when I first read it (at the age of 18).

I am sometimes dense.


§ ita § - Jan 01, 2010 7:18:15 pm PST #10723 of 28370
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I was a different age from when I read Narnia. But I found Pullman shrill and vicious, not something whose converse I remember from Lewis.


Beverly - Jan 01, 2010 8:09:36 pm PST #10724 of 28370
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I read them all as an adult. Halfway through two, Pullman started to give me a tic. But the Narnia books rang with the sounds of anvils. Children or YAs probably wouldn't notice so much.


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Jan 01, 2010 8:25:07 pm PST #10725 of 28370
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

I didn't find Pullman's anti-religious tone too offensive. I saw it as an attack on institutions, not faith. I can relate to that.

I read the Narnia books as a child of church-going parents, and I pretty much had the symbolism pointed out to me as I read. Given my Christian background, I didn't mind that. I can imagine people of other faiths, or none, finding Lewis offensive at times.


Typo Boy - Jan 01, 2010 8:28:13 pm PST #10726 of 28370
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Yeah, the Dwarves in Narnia struck as pretty obviously anti-semitic stereotypes. And I thought the whole anvil about comparing atheism to people who lived in a gaslit hole underground with pussycats and could not imagine a lion or the sun was pretty vicious.