And sort of tangentially related to the discussion at hand, julad has an essay about the kinds of subtext that slash writers make explicit in their stories.
I'm supposed to deliver you to the Master now. There's this whole deal where I get to be immortal. Are you cool with that?
Xander ,'Lessons'
Fan Fiction: Writers, Readers, and Enablers
This thread is for fanfic recs, links, and discussion, but not for actual posting of fanfic.
Dana - May 10, 2005 6:42:14 am PDT #9966 of 10000
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."
Katie M - May 10, 2005 6:56:36 am PDT #9967 of 10000
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
*whispers to Emily* I don't see the slash either. I mean, I see it, in the sense that I totally get what people are responding to, but... not pinging for me.
Blah blah canon blah blah conflict I already wrote this post in LJ, didn't I?
And yeah, that's a good post of Julad's.
shrift - May 10, 2005 7:09:41 am PDT #9968 of 10000
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty
has there been any good Lost fic to speak of?
I haven't found much, but what I have liked is up on the what's new page at polyamorous. Unfortunately, Lost seems to be the fandom of Teh Woobie!!!!1! Which, predictably, doesn't do a whole bunch for me.
Calli - May 10, 2005 7:21:22 am PDT #9969 of 10000
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs
Lost seems to be the fandom of Teh Woobie!!!!1!
Yeah. And I could sort of see that in the case of, oh, say, Charlie perhaps. But folks keep woobifying Sawyer which just strikes me as all kindsa wrong.
Katie M - May 10, 2005 7:22:56 am PDT #9970 of 10000
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
Sawyer is exactly the character that fandom would automatically woobify, though. It's like he was designed for it. He's snarky! He's mean! He has Secret Pain! He even likes to read! And no one understands him, poor dear sweetie.
§ ita § - May 10, 2005 7:24:38 am PDT #9971 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
He's the Spike. Who was the Spike before Spike was the Spike?
Katie M - May 10, 2005 7:26:03 am PDT #9972 of 10000
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
Kerr Avon.
ETA: Well, directly previous, Krycek maybe. I dunno how much Krycek got woobified, though.
Calli - May 10, 2005 7:27:16 am PDT #9973 of 10000
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs
Sawyer is exactly the character that fandom would automatically woobify, though.
I know. I don't like it, but yeah, I suppose I should have expected it.
Who was the Spike before Spike was the Spike?
Methos? Sure, he killed thousands, tens of thousands . . . because he liked it. But he was a poor, sweet, misunderstood snuggiuggums.
BTW, I liked Methos. I'd do Methos in a heartbeat. I just never saw the point of woobifying him.
§ ita § - May 10, 2005 7:29:55 am PDT #9974 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I think Krycek and Methos were presented less ambiguously. Methos was pretty firmly in present times on the side of the good, despite horrible past. Neither Spike nor Sawyer were as nice from their inception. And Krycek was never painted nice. He helped the heroes, but he always seemed clearly opportunistic to me.
Avon ... I need to do some rewatching.
shrift - May 10, 2005 7:30:06 am PDT #9975 of 10000
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty
There is a lot of Charlie woobification because of Dom, and there is a sickening amount of Sawyer woobification. Thing is, the characters are flawed in interesting ways, and for me, smoothing over those flaws just makes them boring.