Lost seems to be the fandom of Teh Woobie!!!!1!
Yeah. And I could sort of see that in the case of, oh, say, Charlie perhaps. But folks keep woobifying Sawyer which just strikes me as all kindsa wrong.
Let him do his thing, and then you get him out. No messing with him for laughs.
Mal ,'Ariel'
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Calli - May 10, 2005 7:21:22 am PDT #9969 of 10000
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs
Katie M - May 10, 2005 7:22:56 am PDT #9970 of 10000
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
Sawyer is exactly the character that fandom would automatically woobify, though. It's like he was designed for it. He's snarky! He's mean! He has Secret Pain! He even likes to read! And no one understands him, poor dear sweetie.
§ ita § - May 10, 2005 7:24:38 am PDT #9971 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
He's the Spike. Who was the Spike before Spike was the Spike?
Katie M - May 10, 2005 7:26:03 am PDT #9972 of 10000
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
Kerr Avon.
ETA: Well, directly previous, Krycek maybe. I dunno how much Krycek got woobified, though.
Calli - May 10, 2005 7:27:16 am PDT #9973 of 10000
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs
Sawyer is exactly the character that fandom would automatically woobify, though.
I know. I don't like it, but yeah, I suppose I should have expected it.
Who was the Spike before Spike was the Spike?
Methos? Sure, he killed thousands, tens of thousands . . . because he liked it. But he was a poor, sweet, misunderstood snuggiuggums.
BTW, I liked Methos. I'd do Methos in a heartbeat. I just never saw the point of woobifying him.
§ ita § - May 10, 2005 7:29:55 am PDT #9974 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I think Krycek and Methos were presented less ambiguously. Methos was pretty firmly in present times on the side of the good, despite horrible past. Neither Spike nor Sawyer were as nice from their inception. And Krycek was never painted nice. He helped the heroes, but he always seemed clearly opportunistic to me.
Avon ... I need to do some rewatching.
shrift - May 10, 2005 7:30:06 am PDT #9975 of 10000
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty
There is a lot of Charlie woobification because of Dom, and there is a sickening amount of Sawyer woobification. Thing is, the characters are flawed in interesting ways, and for me, smoothing over those flaws just makes them boring.
Calli - May 10, 2005 7:34:39 am PDT #9976 of 10000
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs
Methos was pretty firmly in present times on the side of the good, despite horrible past.
I think I could argue that Methos was on the side of Mac, more than on the side of good per se. He liked MacLeod, sure (and I'd even buy that he had a crush on the guy), but I read him as someone who'd decided that the side of Mac, and thereby the good, was pragmatically the best side for him to be on.
This is probably HL debate no. 376, though. Before "Mac should never have listened to Cassandra" and after "Byron--did Mac kill him for justice or out of jealousy?"
§ ita § - May 10, 2005 7:38:33 am PDT #9977 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
smoothing over those flaws just makes them boring.
I think that the TV show is setting the smoothing tone.
As for Methos -- wasn't his Nouveau Horseman behaviour pretty good for the sake of not being bad? But I think it's key that his evil deeds, unlike Spike or Sawyer (for diluted varieties of evil) were all in flashback.
shrift - May 10, 2005 7:43:44 am PDT #9978 of 10000
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty
That reminds me. I need to write some Duncan/Methos in which I do not woobify Methos, for once. I was a young and impressionable fangirl when I got into Highlander.
And I'm now realizing that it's been about seven years since I got into fandom, and that I should do something to commemorate it.