This here's a recipe for unpleasantness.

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Fan Fiction: Writers, Readers, and Enablers  

This thread is for fanfic recs, links, and discussion, but not for actual posting of fanfic.


Typo Boy - Nov 13, 2002 4:12:22 pm PST #849 of 10000
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Probably not worth arguing over. But I think you are dismissing platform art by definition. That is if it is good art, then you define it as art first, and politics second. But I think most of Shaw's stuff was clearly politics (or social commentary) first and art second. And yet most of them are hilarious and first rate art.

Like I said, I think that platform art generally makes for bad art - even when done by good artists. The exception is when a good artists primary and deeply felt passion is the politics or social commentary. Those who managed it constitute a very short list; but they do exist.


P.M. Marc - Nov 13, 2002 4:23:36 pm PST #850 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

But I think most of Shaw's stuff was clearly politics (or social commentary) first and art second. And yet most of them are hilarious and first rate art.

The difference between something like Pyg. or A Doll's House and something like, say The Cradle Will Rock or any of those sorts of things is that the ART part of it makes it something that can survive separate from the politics.

Motivating factors for bunnies are complex, but you're dead wrong on this point. If it wasn't art first, it would be forgotten except by dusty scholars.


Betsy HP - Nov 13, 2002 4:35:45 pm PST #851 of 10000
If I only had a brain...

The author can think it's art second while the audience thinks it's art first.


Emily - Nov 13, 2002 5:05:18 pm PST #852 of 10000
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

But, oh... oh. Well, shoot. What Betsy said.

Darn you, Betsy!


askye - Nov 13, 2002 8:49:49 pm PST #853 of 10000
Thrive to spite them

I just got feedback on Dream Forever my first ever Buffy story. Post Gift how would Dawn cope story. I didn't archive it right away so I never got much feedback, but this was really really nice. I'm excited.


Elena - Nov 13, 2002 9:11:12 pm PST #854 of 10000
Thanks for all the fish.

Feedback is like crack, you know.


P.M. Marc - Nov 13, 2002 9:11:55 pm PST #855 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Feedback is like crack, you know.

Shit, it's like the H, man.

I'll have the writer's block one day, have to check into a clinic.


askye - Nov 13, 2002 9:14:27 pm PST #856 of 10000
Thrive to spite them

Elena, insent btw.

This day has just sucked. The feedback, my new glasses, and Tombstone were the highlights. Val Kilmer as Doc Holliday is so much fun to watch.


Elena - Nov 13, 2002 9:22:55 pm PST #857 of 10000
Thanks for all the fish.

Daisy, I will check out the mail.


askye - Nov 13, 2002 9:51:32 pm PST #858 of 10000
Thrive to spite them

Elena,it's back to you.