but not Jack *in* little black dress because... uhm, no

Snerk.

The mind reels.

... Hmmm. A diplomatic mission, some bizarre ritual... I could see it. With lots of snark, and Daniel explaining everything so earnestly, and Carter snickering in the corner.

Are his legs shaved?

With lots of snark, and Daniel explaining everything so earnestly, and Carter snickering in the corner.

Hee!

OK, now, I want to read this fic. Can't you just imagine how outraged Jack would be? And the more pissed he became, the more his teammates would snicker... oh, a definite potential there.

I've actually read one. A non-con no less. Not enough brain bleach in the Western Hemisphere.

...see, now, that's just confusing. (On top of squicky.) They've never even met.

Jack, who's like the little black dress of fandom

It's all about Who Gets To Share Jack's Tent. Yes. *nods*

... Hmmm. A diplomatic mission, some bizarre ritual... I could see it. With lots of snark, and Daniel explaining everything so earnestly, and Carter snickering in the corner.

I am almost positive I've read this story. I've certainly read the "Jack has to wear a silly and/or revealing outfit" story more than once, and it has just now occurred to me that this is the equivalent of the X-Files "Mulder and Scully have to get dressed up and go to a compulsory ball!" story.

...see, now, that's just confusing. (On top of squicky.) They've never even met.

Like that ever stops anyone!

Well, that's true.

I am almost positive I've read this story.

Sounds pretty basic.

Jack is fun, and he's even funnier when he's outraged.

So, yeah, I posted a story yesterday.

Bellum Interruptum. AU, Farscape/Casablanca crossover. No spoilers past 411, but it spins off canon at 322, if that makes any sense.

My brother and I were talking in the car tonight, and the idea of a corporate conflict (or whatever) between Luthorcorp and Wayne Enterprises. He's only up on the cartoon continuity, and I have even less of it than he does, so if there's something in the comics, well, we wouldn't know.

So, is there canon or fic around this bunny, o, ye wonderous hivemind?

Consuela, I love your Farscape/Casablanca story!

Re. fandoms received systems of 'shipping. I was having a conversation with a non-fannish friend a few weeks ago, and he asked what fandom I was engaged in. I said, "Hmm, BtVS, mostly because I'm sympathetic to and fond of its basic polyamorous structure," and went on to mention that I had a couple read-only fandoms, like *Nsync. I don't think he had heard of RPF; he asked me what *Nsync fandom was like.

Logorrheic, I repost:

From what I've seen: *Nsync fandom is *incredibly* polyamorous, totally more than BtVS, crazily so. That's because it's about real people-- there's no actual basic *mythology* (except what the viewers impose, or are encouraged to impose by the group's PR), no canon beyond a timeline.

Most TV-show fandoms are arranged around a central OTP, whether canon or fanon. Canon in a fandom context, I don't know if you know this, means "show-given or tptb-sanctioned fact". Fanon-- not to be mistaken for sociologist Franz Fanon, it makes me laugh all the time-- means ideas used so much in fic or in fannish discussion they become almost received and used as canon in the hive-mind of the fans. Sometimes it's just a detail about a character which was not supplied by canon, like someone's middle name, and sometimes it's a set of ideas that totally contradict what canon has told us, e.g. Fanon!Draco, coming out of HP, who is smart and sexy and snarky and bisexual and wears leather pants, God knows why, God love him.

What was I going to say? I was going to say, Most shows are intentionally arranged around a central OTP, for simplicity of plot and streamlining of fannish devotion. Fans may subvert this-- there's a handful of, say, Sloane/Sydney 'shippers out there, and they're self-aware and silly or passionate and righteous, whatever, but the show is firmly Sydney/Vaughn and the fandom is highly Sydney/Vaughn (and Sydney/Sark, which some people say is very textually supported and some people do not). That's Alias I'm taking about. You probably don't know it.

But some fandoms are incredibly poly, and since they are the exception to the rule they tend to be poly for different reasons or in different ways. BtVS has pretty strong canonical support for as many 'ships as there are characters! ( that's characters factorial); Joss Whedon the show's creator has acknowledged it publically. *Nsync is very poly for the sheer virtue of the fact that it *doesn't* have canon; as someone who's only read but has read extensively-- meep!-- at this point, I'm aware of the distinct personalities (apparent-in-their-lives or just fanon, the distinction isn't relevant here since it's really in practical terms *all* fanon) of the different *Nsync guys, and could describe them to you if you asked (please don't ask). But I personally feel no organic impetus to favor or find more realistic one 'ship over another. That sort of direction is *completely* provided by all the show's [*] boyband's fans, their whims and libidos.

HP is kind of a mix of the two: the source text is strongly ensemble by nature, despite the fact that it has a titular character. The canon does provide outright or suggest various 'ships-- Harry/Cho, for one, um; Harry/Ginny, Hermione/Ron-- but truly the canon is fairly *weak*, it's a badly-written series, and it's telling that the fandom's strongest 'ship is Harry/Draco, which is actually *completely* unsupported in the texts. The fact is that HP is a weakly-written (as I said) serial that is being released *very* slowly, which means that 1) its fans approach canon not so much as their bible as their playground and equipment 2) they have *a ton* of time in which to do it. ... And I'm done. That has been my speech on fandom polyamory.

[*] When he asked, I explained that I did the strikeout as a joke to indicate that although they are in fact real people I do process them as a fictional show, a text to be plundered, as-- I think-- do most of people in fandom.