Lindsey: Why--why did you... Lorne: One last job. You're not part of the solution, Lindsey. You never will be. Lindsey: You kill me? A flunky?! I'm not just...Angel...kills me. You...Angel... Lorne: Good night, folks.

'Not Fade Away'


Fan Fiction: Writers, Readers, and Enablers  

This thread is for fanfic recs, links, and discussion, but not for actual posting of fanfic.


P.M. Marc - Nov 11, 2002 4:19:06 pm PST #766 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Proof, again, that a having a platform does not a good fic make.

It came to me in my inbox, and Paul finally told me to stop ranting about it because "It was bad, deal!"

But, I had serious "dude, you so don't understand these characters" moments along with the "platform fic bad" moments.


Rebecca Lizard - Nov 11, 2002 4:29:49 pm PST #767 of 10000
You sip / say it's your crazy / straw say it's you're crazy / as you bicycle your soul / with beauty in your basket

Oh, of course, wrod! The problem with platform fic itself is that it flattens and caricatureizes the characters [say that three times fast! & I'm pretty sure I spelled it wrong, too] to suit its chosen message until the entire thing is just a travesty of a piece of writing.


P.M. Marc - Nov 11, 2002 4:31:15 pm PST #768 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

See, if you have to write it, you should at least choose a character that suits your platform.

And make the circumstances realistic. IJS.

But, you shouldn't write it, cause, well, bad.


shrift - Nov 11, 2002 4:55:18 pm PST #769 of 10000
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

Sometimes I lament the fact that I haven't developed a really big god-complex.

I'm just saying.


Consuela - Nov 11, 2002 5:55:01 pm PST #770 of 10000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

LOL, Shrift.

"Platform" is a term I hadn't come across before in the context of fic. So I had to open the link and click on the headers. And now I understand. Art is not driven by politics. No, that's not right. You can certainly have political art, but the art and the emotion should come first and the politics should inform it, rather than the other way around.

I've written two stories in which strong female characters ended pregnancies. Oddly enough, I was flamed for neither one, and got into some interesting conversations with people as a result of them. But I didn't write them because of my personal belief that a woman is free to choose what happens to her own body. t sigh


Typo Boy - Nov 11, 2002 6:01:20 pm PST #771 of 10000
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

It is actually possible to write good platform art - putting the poltics first and the art second. It simply requires that you have tremendous talent as an artist and that politics be your overriding passion. George Bernard Shaw . Brecht, sometimes. Lorraine Hansbury. Sean O' Casey. Brendhan Behan. But these are exceptions to a mostly correct rule.


askye - Nov 11, 2002 6:01:53 pm PST #772 of 10000
Thrive to spite them

Okay, that's bad..I didn't get far before I abadoned it.


Consuela - Nov 11, 2002 6:11:31 pm PST #773 of 10000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I dunno, Gar. I'm rereading Grapes of Wrath right now, and while it's definitely a political novel, it's first a novel. It's a story about people. Even Animal Farm and 1984 and Brave New World were about people first. (Well, okay, AF was about animals first.)

If I can't see the people for the politics, you're going to lose me. I won't care. Political essays I can get elsewhere, and unless they're wrapped pretty seamlessly into the narrative and driven by character and plot, they're just going to piss me off.


Emily - Nov 11, 2002 6:21:56 pm PST #774 of 10000
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

It's a story about people. Even Animal Farm and 1984 and Brave New World were about people first.

As is a lot of politics. I think it's possible to make good art with political motivations, but you have to be a really really really good artist to do it.


P.M. Marc - Nov 11, 2002 6:34:25 pm PST #775 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I'm with Suela on this one. Great political art may have a platform, but the reason it works is that it is art first, politics second. Always.