You'll fight, and you'll shag, and you'll hate each other till it makes you quiver, but you'll never be friends.

Spike ,'Sleeper'


Fan Fiction: Writers, Readers, and Enablers  

This thread is for fanfic recs, links, and discussion, but not for actual posting of fanfic.


Consuela - Nov 11, 2002 5:55:01 pm PST #770 of 10000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

LOL, Shrift.

"Platform" is a term I hadn't come across before in the context of fic. So I had to open the link and click on the headers. And now I understand. Art is not driven by politics. No, that's not right. You can certainly have political art, but the art and the emotion should come first and the politics should inform it, rather than the other way around.

I've written two stories in which strong female characters ended pregnancies. Oddly enough, I was flamed for neither one, and got into some interesting conversations with people as a result of them. But I didn't write them because of my personal belief that a woman is free to choose what happens to her own body. t sigh


Typo Boy - Nov 11, 2002 6:01:20 pm PST #771 of 10000
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

It is actually possible to write good platform art - putting the poltics first and the art second. It simply requires that you have tremendous talent as an artist and that politics be your overriding passion. George Bernard Shaw . Brecht, sometimes. Lorraine Hansbury. Sean O' Casey. Brendhan Behan. But these are exceptions to a mostly correct rule.


askye - Nov 11, 2002 6:01:53 pm PST #772 of 10000
Thrive to spite them

Okay, that's bad..I didn't get far before I abadoned it.


Consuela - Nov 11, 2002 6:11:31 pm PST #773 of 10000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I dunno, Gar. I'm rereading Grapes of Wrath right now, and while it's definitely a political novel, it's first a novel. It's a story about people. Even Animal Farm and 1984 and Brave New World were about people first. (Well, okay, AF was about animals first.)

If I can't see the people for the politics, you're going to lose me. I won't care. Political essays I can get elsewhere, and unless they're wrapped pretty seamlessly into the narrative and driven by character and plot, they're just going to piss me off.


Emily - Nov 11, 2002 6:21:56 pm PST #774 of 10000
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

It's a story about people. Even Animal Farm and 1984 and Brave New World were about people first.

As is a lot of politics. I think it's possible to make good art with political motivations, but you have to be a really really really good artist to do it.


P.M. Marc - Nov 11, 2002 6:34:25 pm PST #775 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I'm with Suela on this one. Great political art may have a platform, but the reason it works is that it is art first, politics second. Always.


Nutty - Nov 11, 2002 7:51:18 pm PST #776 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

My problem with political art is that it's so fricken obvious. Even the stuff that works reasonably well as drama can tend to come off as, I don't know, yelling at the reader rather than persuading. And when the author is yelling at her reader, it sort of cheapens all that perfectly good drama the reader just waded through.

Then again, if it were better art, the ideology wouldn't be so obvious, huh? So, what they said. (Although, note for the record, I don't count Orwell in among those great political artists. He was a great political whiner, but I never saw much art outta him.)


Dana - Nov 11, 2002 7:56:37 pm PST #777 of 10000
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

And by platform, incidentally, I meant anything from "Abortion is bad!" to "Abortion is a woman's right!" to "Eat vegetarian!" to "Buffy sucks!" to "Buffy rules."

If one has some sort of overriding agenda, it's gonna override.

Now, of course, I'm perfectly okay with platforms like, "Boy, wouldn't Wesley/Connor be messed up, yet hot?".


P.M. Marc - Nov 11, 2002 7:58:20 pm PST #778 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Now, of course, I'm perfectly okay with platforms like, "Boy, wouldn't Wesley/Connor be messed up, yet hot?".

A tangle of thin, pale limbs, angry blue eyes, and dark haired goodness, even.

That's a Special platform.


amych - Nov 11, 2002 8:00:46 pm PST #779 of 10000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Isn't that the Special Platform where one catches the train to Special Hell?