No one's announced the new noir yet?

I win!

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Yay!

In a strange synchronicity, I spent several hours poking around that same website yesterday, though from a different angle.

Yes, that's all the relevance I have to add, since hard as I tried I could not keep up with RPF argument. Bon chance!

Whoa. Willow hinted casually last night that she'd written fanfic in her youth. (If this is a spoiler, let me know and I'll white it.)

Is this the first time that a TV show has mentioned fanfic explicitly?

I haven't seen the episode, Betsy, but I'm not howling about spoilers here, so I don't feel like you need to whitefont.

What I am howling about is the massive number of egregiously bad "Willow writes fanfic!!!!" stories that are furiously being composed right now. To add to the already egregious pile of, "[Character] writes fanfic!!!!"

I don't like it when those worlds collide. My opinions on the inclusion of actual fan fiction writing or reading by a character in a piece of fan fiction are entirely vituperative in nature.

As far as I'm aware, it is, Betsy, although I'm not up on all the genre shows. I have a vague feeling that XF might have mentioned it as well...?

Blearrgh. Another list/archive I belong to is going through a volcanic eruption of fandom drama right now and I just Cannot. Take. It. Anymore. t whine Whyyy must people be so easily offended? Why do they think it's okay to personally abuse the volunteer admins of an excellent fanfic archive, just because one of them admitted (privately, offlist) to disliking a certain genre? There are real problems in this world, people, but having your favourite fanfic ox gored is NOT one of them.

I can feel my blood pressure rising. Must stay away from email inbox.

I don't like it when those worlds collide. My opinions on the inclusion of actual fan fiction writing or reading by a character in a piece of fan fiction are entirely vituperative in nature.

I'm with you on this one. Honestly, I feel as though if it's a normal thing to do (and obviously it is a normal thing to do) then it ought not to bug me to read it -- but every time I see it, it feels clumsy and out of place. Maybe that's for the same reason characters on TV don't tend to watch TV (and additionally for them to write/read fanfic about it seems out of character), or maybe it's just because the authors don't seem to be completely comfortable with the idea.

There was a mention, sometime last spring, by a character on of all things Crossing Jordan, of going home and relaxing on a Saturday night with a glass of wine "and some Star Trek fan fiction". Something to that effect; I didn't see it, but it was well-reported among a couple of my friends.

I don't know what the tone was in that instance, but I think it's safe to say that the TV people, at least, don't think we're automatically psycho freaks any more. Perhaps good for a laugh, on occasion; then again, real coroners probably do go home on a Saturday night and relax with some good old K/S.

wrod on the cringe-inducing nature of the idea - it's so difficult to un-Mary Sue fanfic in which the characters read fanfic. Bleagh. And yet I'm quite happy to buy the idea that Willow - and indeed perhaps Xander - might have read fanfic. They were both pretty geeky and/or fannish kids, after all, and Willow was little miss hack-into-the-Pentagon-computer-three-times-before-breakfast. So logically it seems fair enough - but it's still the sort of plot summary that does make me shudder. I'm sure a good writer could pull it off, though.

characters on TV don't tend to watch TV

Spike does. I think Dawn does.