Mal: Does.. um.. does this seem kind of tight? Kaylee: Shows off your backside.

'Shindig'


Fan Fiction: Writers, Readers, and Enablers  

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Am-Chau Yarkona - May 02, 2003 10:54:01 am PDT #5325 of 10000
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

that assumes the couple is part of a larger world. For some reason, they decided the motel was a better venue.

So to write a story that's not plotty at all, you have to assume that they aren't part of a larger world? That there is nothing outside the situation?


Katie M - May 02, 2003 10:57:46 am PDT #5326 of 10000
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

So to write a story that's not plotty at all, you have to assume that they aren't part of a larger world? That there is nothing outside the situation?

For me it's a vibe issue, and tough to define exactly. (I very much like connie's definition, FWIW.) It's not so much that there isn't a larger world but whether or not it matters to the characters.


P.M. Marc - May 02, 2003 10:58:49 am PDT #5327 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

It's not so much that there isn't a larger world but whether or not it matters to the characters.

Ooo! I like this.


Am-Chau Yarkona - May 02, 2003 11:00:53 am PDT #5328 of 10000
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

It's not so much that there isn't a larger world but whether or not it matters to the characters.

Ooo! I like this.

Yes-- put that way, it feels like it works.


Connie Neil - May 02, 2003 11:03:27 am PDT #5329 of 10000
brillig

Works for me.


Connie Neil - May 02, 2003 11:11:05 am PDT #5330 of 10000
brillig

Is there a thought going on that plotty is better than non-plotty? That plottiness is something that should be worked towards? I'm wondering at the provenance of the original question.

Hah, used provenance in a sentence, yay, me.


Katie M - May 02, 2003 11:12:25 am PDT #5331 of 10000
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

So... thinking about this some more, though maybe I should stop while I'm ahead... if the plot or action takes place just to give the writer a chance to see what happens to the characters, that wouldn't seem terribly plotty to me. Hurt/comfort, for instance, can have oodles of stuff happening, even fairly complex series of events, but mostly I wouldn't call it plotty. It's All About Them.


§ ita § - May 02, 2003 11:16:19 am PDT #5332 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

if the plot or action takes place just to give the writer a chance to see what happens to the characters

But if you're not in the writer's head, you can't tell -- surely the estimation should be from the reader's POV.

I know, for many stories that live in my head, that I have an emotional beat sheet, and an event beat sheet. Half the time I don't know which drives which -- but if I come up with a intricate and compelling sequence of events that works well with what I really want to do -- get her from emotion A through F -- it still might be a plotty story. Or vice versa.


Connie Neil - May 02, 2003 11:21:33 am PDT #5333 of 10000
brillig

Ooo, Plot in Service to the Emotions vs. Emotions in Service to the Plot!

Episodes of hurt/comfort in the context of a larger story score higher on the plotty scale (heh, she said score [my god, where is my head today?]) than a series of events designed to bring about a hurt/comfort scenario. That said, I have to admit that h/c is my favorite guilty pleasure genre.


Katie M - May 02, 2003 11:23:58 am PDT #5334 of 10000
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

But if you're not in the writer's head, you can't tell -- surely the estimation should be from the reader's POV.

Oh, sure, it's all completely subjective on my part.