Damn it! You know what? I'm sick of this crap. I'm sick of being the guy who eats insects and gets the funny syphilis. As of this moment, it's over. I'm finished being everybody's butt monkey!

Xander ,'Lessons'


Fan Fiction: Writers, Readers, and Enablers  

This thread is for fanfic recs, links, and discussion, but not for actual posting of fanfic.


Katie M - May 02, 2003 10:57:46 am PDT #5326 of 10000
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

So to write a story that's not plotty at all, you have to assume that they aren't part of a larger world? That there is nothing outside the situation?

For me it's a vibe issue, and tough to define exactly. (I very much like connie's definition, FWIW.) It's not so much that there isn't a larger world but whether or not it matters to the characters.


P.M. Marc - May 02, 2003 10:58:49 am PDT #5327 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

It's not so much that there isn't a larger world but whether or not it matters to the characters.

Ooo! I like this.


Am-Chau Yarkona - May 02, 2003 11:00:53 am PDT #5328 of 10000
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

It's not so much that there isn't a larger world but whether or not it matters to the characters.

Ooo! I like this.

Yes-- put that way, it feels like it works.


Connie Neil - May 02, 2003 11:03:27 am PDT #5329 of 10000
brillig

Works for me.


Connie Neil - May 02, 2003 11:11:05 am PDT #5330 of 10000
brillig

Is there a thought going on that plotty is better than non-plotty? That plottiness is something that should be worked towards? I'm wondering at the provenance of the original question.

Hah, used provenance in a sentence, yay, me.


Katie M - May 02, 2003 11:12:25 am PDT #5331 of 10000
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

So... thinking about this some more, though maybe I should stop while I'm ahead... if the plot or action takes place just to give the writer a chance to see what happens to the characters, that wouldn't seem terribly plotty to me. Hurt/comfort, for instance, can have oodles of stuff happening, even fairly complex series of events, but mostly I wouldn't call it plotty. It's All About Them.


§ ita § - May 02, 2003 11:16:19 am PDT #5332 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

if the plot or action takes place just to give the writer a chance to see what happens to the characters

But if you're not in the writer's head, you can't tell -- surely the estimation should be from the reader's POV.

I know, for many stories that live in my head, that I have an emotional beat sheet, and an event beat sheet. Half the time I don't know which drives which -- but if I come up with a intricate and compelling sequence of events that works well with what I really want to do -- get her from emotion A through F -- it still might be a plotty story. Or vice versa.


Connie Neil - May 02, 2003 11:21:33 am PDT #5333 of 10000
brillig

Ooo, Plot in Service to the Emotions vs. Emotions in Service to the Plot!

Episodes of hurt/comfort in the context of a larger story score higher on the plotty scale (heh, she said score [my god, where is my head today?]) than a series of events designed to bring about a hurt/comfort scenario. That said, I have to admit that h/c is my favorite guilty pleasure genre.


Katie M - May 02, 2003 11:23:58 am PDT #5334 of 10000
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

But if you're not in the writer's head, you can't tell -- surely the estimation should be from the reader's POV.

Oh, sure, it's all completely subjective on my part.


§ ita § - May 02, 2003 11:24:15 am PDT #5335 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

a series of events designed to bring about a hurt/comfort scenario

But how can you tell how/why they were designed? It could just be crappy writing that makes you think that.