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Fan Fiction: Writers, Readers, and Enablers  

This thread is for fanfic recs, links, and discussion, but not for actual posting of fanfic.


DavidS - Oct 13, 2002 11:01:09 pm PDT #447 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Hee. I love Evil Hec.

Speaking of which, I let Emmett watch Fellowship of the Ring tonight. During the fight against the cave troll? (and ita will like this) Emmett was chanting with great animation: "War! War! War!"

It doesn't quite have the exceedingly glib quotient of "Violence is cool" but I think the bloodlust is there. Also, true to form, Emmett thought Sauron (as glimpsed in the early flashbacks) was cool.


Rebecca Lizard - Oct 13, 2002 11:04:10 pm PDT #448 of 10000
You sip / say it's your crazy / straw say it's you're crazy / as you bicycle your soul / with beauty in your basket

That reminds me of my cousin, who one day as a little kid announced to his mother, "I want to watch some violins." She was delighted, and helped him flip through channels until they found an orchestra, or something; but he started to twist with impatience again. No, not that; he said. Turns out he'd said he wanted to watch some violence.


Elena - Oct 13, 2002 11:11:21 pm PDT #449 of 10000
Thanks for all the fish.

Nevermind. t /Emily Littella

Man, I miss Gilda.


DavidS - Oct 13, 2002 11:13:46 pm PDT #450 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Heh. Sax and violins.

Also, Emmett tried to do Gimli's accent as the troll attacked and heaped all kinds of pseudo Dwarvish abuse at the troll.


Rebecca Lizard - Oct 13, 2002 11:17:02 pm PDT #451 of 10000
You sip / say it's your crazy / straw say it's you're crazy / as you bicycle your soul / with beauty in your basket

Sax and violins.

BWAH!

Did you make that up?

I need that on a T-shirt. Or something.


DavidS - Oct 13, 2002 11:35:36 pm PDT #452 of 10000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Did you make that up?

Awww, kid, that's older than vaudeville. Which is itself so old as to be dead.

And just so Nutty doesn't think I am merely glib, and before Misha beats me about the head with 11th edition of the Encyclopedia Britannia (the scholar's edition!) - I want to say that I don't think there is a clear bright line. Everybody fudged at one point or another with exceptions to the No Real People Rule. But they were different exceptions at different places.

Once you have crossed the line to appropriating the characters then you have already entered the ethically tricky place and it gets slippery. Fic is subversive. Once you've allowed that, then you've moved away from one of the clear boundaries: authorship. Gut instinct is a useless indicator, because YGMV.


Burrell - Oct 14, 2002 12:04:58 am PDT #453 of 10000
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Really I don't have much to say about RPF. But I do have something to say about James Joyce. Bear with me, or hey, go ahead and skip it.

The James Joyce comparison really really doesn't work, on many many levels. First, he wasn't writing RPF, he was doing the very in vogue thing at the time, mining his own life for his writing. There was no one more exposed on that page than he. Second, as Michele (I think) said, he didn't write fictional tales about real people, he did the opposite, incorporating real, often very private, moments and reinventing them as fiction. Moreover the exceptions to that, the moments when he included "characters" that shared the same name as real historical people who did the same things those real people were well known to have done, he got his ass nailed to the fucking wall. The libel charges brought against him were at least partly to blame for why the book was banned in Ireland for so long. Third, the fact that he wrote great art doesn't mean that his methods weren't unethical. They are entirely separate issues in my book.

Now like I said, I don't have much to say about RPF. Go ahead and write it, don't write it, read it, don't read it, read it but feel dirty, whatever. No skin off my nose. Just don't compare it to Joyce, please.


esse - Oct 14, 2002 1:21:30 am PDT #454 of 10000
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

Okay, I just don't get Snape/Harry slash. I don't see why anyone would want to write them, and yet Res along with many other of my favorite writers are doing so. Someone clue me in?


shrift - Oct 14, 2002 6:30:34 am PDT #455 of 10000
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

I don't see why anyone would want to write them.

Er. Isn't this a case of Your Pairing May Vary? Snape and Harry have a long enmity, but we know they're both on the side of the good. Conflict generates interest and subtext. Some people like to write Draco/Harry, others can't resist the Sexy Bitch that is Alan Rickman.

Also, it's a challenge, because it's a lot more difficult to write believable Snape/Harry than, say, Sirius/Remus or Ron/Harry. Lately, I've been writing stuff that I intentionally find challenging -- just for shits and giggles.

On a personal note, I find Snape to be the most interesting character in the books, but then, I been firmly in the Morally Ambiguous corner for decades.

I often get told, "I don't normally read this pairing, but --" in feedback. I'm such a bifictional fannish crackwhore that that sort of thing doesn't always compute.


Dana - Oct 14, 2002 7:24:59 am PDT #456 of 10000
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

There are pairings that I wouldn't seek out. If you look at PolyRecs, shrift has generally been reccing the Snape/Harry, and I've been reccing the Sirius/Remus. However, I'll read *anything* Resonant writes.

(Tries to stifle caveat. Fails.)

Except RPF.

"The Familiar" was hysterical and insightful.