Faith: A kid. Angel's got a kid. Wesley: Connor. Faith: A teenage kid born last year. Wesley: I told you, he grew up in a hell dimension. Faith: Right. And what, Cordelia spent her last summer as… Wesley: A divine being. Faith: Uh-huh. Can I just ask--What the hell are you people doing?

'Why We Fight'


Fan Fiction: Writers, Readers, and Enablers  

This thread is for fanfic recs, links, and discussion, but not for actual posting of fanfic.


Dana - Mar 26, 2003 10:27:55 am PST #4420 of 10000
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

A couple places you might check:

Writer's U timeline. Includes stuff like "1974: "A Fragment Out Of Time" is the first known Star Trek slash to be published in fanzine", with citations.

The Foresmutters Project. Includes an early history of K/S.

You might also try the zendom multi-fandom list/group/whatever they are. I seem to remember there being a fair amount of old-time Trekkers on there. last I remember, they were at zendom.diaryland.com.


Consuela - Mar 26, 2003 10:33:15 am PST #4421 of 10000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Also Glass_Onion has a bunch of people on it.

Re: fannish history, I am in legal (if not equitable) possession of three boxes of old Trek zines, originals and reprints, going back as far as 1968.

It's a fascinating collection, not least because I keep stumbling across names I know, like Jean Lorrah, Eleanor Arnason, Lois Bujold, and -- get this, Nutty -- Lee Burwasser. From 1969! Yoiks.

Fascinating stuff, although some of it is in tiny tiny type and very hard to read. When I have time in a few weeks I'll type up an inventory.


Nutty - Mar 26, 2003 10:49:27 am PST #4422 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I did know about Lee Burwasser! In fact, I think it was Theodosia who recognized the name when I mentioned it, and said she'd been in fandom longer than I'd been alive.

Suela, I want to see those boxes some day. Not just for the coinage of terms, but because I bet one could work up a social history of plot development from them and from later archives.


Connie Neil - Mar 26, 2003 10:58:58 am PST #4423 of 10000
brillig

I bet one could work up a social history of plot development from them and from later archives.

And who says time is wasted on fanfic and college degrees? From such small beginnings are great sociological theories born.


Consuela - Mar 26, 2003 2:14:19 pm PST #4424 of 10000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Nutty, I'd love to spend a day poking through them with you, unfortunately you'd have to get out here soonish. They were donated for the Save the Children project Fi's putting together, and I'm inventorying them for auction.

Still, Lois Bujold! Heh. And I had no idea Lee had been around that long. Quite interesting. One of the stories I saw by her was called "The Hoplite" and it was... Bible-fic? I guess. Although weren't Hoplites Greek? Huh. Anyway, it seemed unrelated to Trek but there it was in an old copy of Spockanalia.

There's some great stuff in those collections, though, including some stories I remember reading in The New Voyages compilations.


Nutty - Mar 26, 2003 2:15:49 pm PST #4425 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Hoplites were heavy infantry, yes, and they were Greek.

Make copies before you give them away!

Okay, I am an obsessive archivist. Not everybody is like that.


Lyra Jane - Mar 26, 2003 2:32:18 pm PST #4426 of 10000
Up with the sun

I have a rec!

Impact, by Silver. It's a time-travel story about Cordelia, set in AtS S1 and S4. Great characterization, Cordy has her snark on, and it has a sniffly-happy ending.


esse - Mar 27, 2003 9:19:49 am PST #4427 of 10000
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

Mosca rec'ed me.


Nutty - Mar 27, 2003 9:35:54 am PST #4428 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Linguistic update: I have found print sources from 1984 (Leslie Fish, and a couple of others), so it may be possible to "chain" backwards through their citations to find an earlier print use of the word "slash". Less luck with the "K/S", although I found evidence that "Kirk/Spock" was in use in 1975, as used in a fanzine essay quoted by Camille Bacon-Smith. (I'll have page refs when I get home; they're all marked, but I didn't bring the books to work with me.)

I also found that the coining of "Mary Sue" as a noun was very soon after the first Mary Sue story was widely published. By 1974 the term was well-known and seemed to need no explanation.

I love this stuff. It's so cool.

You know what? Michele, you might have your linguist friend try contacting Camille Bacon-Smith directly. I know she's online and still in fandom (I've been on some listservs with her) and I bet she probably still has a lot of the old-style contacts who (a) were actually into K/S in the 70s and (b) still have print fanzines lying around in collections.

Me, I've never even seen a print fanzine.


Am-Chau Yarkona - Mar 27, 2003 9:48:56 am PST #4429 of 10000
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

Go SA! That's cool!

Go Nutty! That's cool stuff!

Go Fandom. Fandom is cool.

Signed, everything is so cool today I think I may have sucked one too many icecubes.