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Fan Fiction: Writers, Readers, and Enablers
This thread is for fanfic recs, links, and discussion, but not for actual posting of fanfic.
Am-Chau Yarkona - Mar 27, 2003 9:48:56 am PST #4429 of 10000
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty
Connie Neil - Mar 27, 2003 9:52:54 am PST #4430 of 10000
brillig
Me, I've never even seen a print fanzine.
Hubby has an old one with some Kirk/Uhura plus a "McCoy goes home on shoreleave and meets up with old flame while dealing with assorted shenanigans" plus a fun but truly silly "incredibly sexy female ambassador/entire male command staff on sucessive nights." Kirk gives it the trademark Starfleet try, Spock fakes her out with a nerve pinch and post-hypnotic type suggestion, McCoy goes all Southern gentleman, Chekhov is just grateful as hell, and Scotty is thinking, "Finally! My turn! Let me show you what a Starfleet engineer can do!" Truly, truly silly, not explicit, but funny.
askye - Mar 27, 2003 3:41:12 pm PST #4431 of 10000
Thrive to spite them
SA and Am-Chou, I found y'all both rec'ed at Blue Laces it's in the 22. For Fastlane and MASH.
esse - Mar 27, 2003 4:04:28 pm PST #4432 of 10000
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!
Coolness. Thanks for pointing it out.
askye - Mar 27, 2003 4:30:42 pm PST #4433 of 10000
Thrive to spite them
Always happy to point out where people have been recced.
Connie Neil - Mar 27, 2003 4:37:00 pm PST #4434 of 10000
brillig
Am-Chau got recced! Yay, Am-Chau!
And SA, too, of course. But I feel proprietary for Am, because I got a theological toaster for converting her.
Michele T. - Mar 27, 2003 8:22:50 pm PST #4435 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi
NUTTY! You rock like a rocking thing. You rock like Gibraltar. Thank you so much.
Nutty - Mar 27, 2003 9:17:23 pm PST #4436 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
Okay, sources. The Mary Sue source material is in Bacon-Smith, Camille. Enterprising Women : Television Fandom and the Creation of Popular Myth. (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press) 1992. The entirety of the story that Bacon-Smith claims coined the term is quoted on page 94, and first appeared in the fanzine Menagerie in 1974. It is called "A Trekkie's Tale" and is by Paula Smith (collected by Johanna Cantor, in a 1980 publication). This actually contradicts standard myth about the phrase, which is that the first Mary Sue story wasn't intended jokily (as this one clearly is), and that the author of the first Mary Sue story was really named Mary Sue. So, make of it what you will.
For "K/S" and "slash", I found a quote in Jenkins of a 1977 essay by Kendra Hunter, which uses "Kirk/Spock" in the relationship, but not sexual, sense. (She is arguing against slashability.) That essay is marked in the Jenkins bibliography as Hunter, Kendra. "Characterization Rape". The Best of Trek 2, Irwin, Warren and Love, G. B., eds. (New York: New American Library) 1977.
The other source from Jenkins's bibliography worth mentioning is Leslie Fish. She wrote an essay in 1977 called "Warped Communications", in the zine Warped Space 25 (May): 13-14. She wrote other essays, and several stories, but that's the earliest citation and it's a discussion on "homosexual fiction", as it seems to have mostly been called in those days.
Camille Bacon-Smith has a web site: [link]
Looks like she's posted (not recently) to rec.arts.sf.fandom -- your friend might try just asking about history there -- and I think she's still on RATales and a couple of other Yahoo groups. (Last I heard, she was wandering around the Smallville archives.)
Nutty - Mar 27, 2003 9:31:34 pm PST #4437 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
Actually, you know what? The Jenkins (Textual Poachers, 1992) bibliography will be a great source of chaining backwards to early citations, since he has record of Bacon-Smith's 1986 ethnography work, Lamb and Veith's 1986 work on Trek, and Joanna Russ's 1985 essay about K/S slash (she does use those terms, although her earlier sources and citations may not). I might also suggest chaining backwards through John Fiske (Television Culture, 1987, of which I have only excerpts here), because although his prose can be dense and boring -- I think he's an economist by training --, he's a thoughtful endnoter.
There's also reference to a tantalizing "The K/S Completist", by Khrys Nolan, in the zine Not Tonight Spock 3: 15-18, published in 1984. It's sure to have good fannish history, and equally sure to be practically impossible to find.
Am-Chau Yarkona - Mar 28, 2003 3:13:31 am PST #4438 of 10000
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty
Am-Chau got recced! Yay, Am-Chau!
YAY! YAY! YAY!
And for the MASH story I'm happiest with. There's a good way to start the day. Thanks for pointing it out, askye.
And there was me, wondering if it was worth uploading stuff to Glass Onion, because I'd never had any feedback from there.
Whee! I've never been recced before, as far as I know.