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Fan Fiction: Writers, Readers, and Enablers  

This thread is for fanfic recs, links, and discussion, but not for actual posting of fanfic.


Michele T. - Mar 26, 2003 10:19:50 am PST #4417 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

Here's hoping this works.

In helping a friend with his research, honest to God, I'm looking for pre-1984 examples of the word "slash," or pre-1978 examples of the use of K/S.

If anyone here knows, or knows where to look, I would be deeply grateful, the friend I'm doing this lexicographical research for would be grateful, and the store of human knowledge would increase.


Hil R. - Mar 26, 2003 10:25:57 am PST #4418 of 10000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Michele, I didn't read through the whole site, but there might be something at the Foresmutters Project


Nutty - Mar 26, 2003 10:26:37 am PST #4419 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Michele, let me get back to you tonight -- I have a couple of books about fandom, which, although recent, tend to have good source citation from earlier years.

Of course, the actual years you're looking for are when I was in the fourth grade, and preschool, respectively. You know what? I am only a bitter middle-aged fanfic queen, aint I?


Dana - Mar 26, 2003 10:27:55 am PST #4420 of 10000
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

A couple places you might check:

Writer's U timeline. Includes stuff like "1974: "A Fragment Out Of Time" is the first known Star Trek slash to be published in fanzine", with citations.

The Foresmutters Project. Includes an early history of K/S.

You might also try the zendom multi-fandom list/group/whatever they are. I seem to remember there being a fair amount of old-time Trekkers on there. last I remember, they were at zendom.diaryland.com.


Consuela - Mar 26, 2003 10:33:15 am PST #4421 of 10000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Also Glass_Onion has a bunch of people on it.

Re: fannish history, I am in legal (if not equitable) possession of three boxes of old Trek zines, originals and reprints, going back as far as 1968.

It's a fascinating collection, not least because I keep stumbling across names I know, like Jean Lorrah, Eleanor Arnason, Lois Bujold, and -- get this, Nutty -- Lee Burwasser. From 1969! Yoiks.

Fascinating stuff, although some of it is in tiny tiny type and very hard to read. When I have time in a few weeks I'll type up an inventory.


Nutty - Mar 26, 2003 10:49:27 am PST #4422 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I did know about Lee Burwasser! In fact, I think it was Theodosia who recognized the name when I mentioned it, and said she'd been in fandom longer than I'd been alive.

Suela, I want to see those boxes some day. Not just for the coinage of terms, but because I bet one could work up a social history of plot development from them and from later archives.


Connie Neil - Mar 26, 2003 10:58:58 am PST #4423 of 10000
brillig

I bet one could work up a social history of plot development from them and from later archives.

And who says time is wasted on fanfic and college degrees? From such small beginnings are great sociological theories born.


Consuela - Mar 26, 2003 2:14:19 pm PST #4424 of 10000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Nutty, I'd love to spend a day poking through them with you, unfortunately you'd have to get out here soonish. They were donated for the Save the Children project Fi's putting together, and I'm inventorying them for auction.

Still, Lois Bujold! Heh. And I had no idea Lee had been around that long. Quite interesting. One of the stories I saw by her was called "The Hoplite" and it was... Bible-fic? I guess. Although weren't Hoplites Greek? Huh. Anyway, it seemed unrelated to Trek but there it was in an old copy of Spockanalia.

There's some great stuff in those collections, though, including some stories I remember reading in The New Voyages compilations.


Nutty - Mar 26, 2003 2:15:49 pm PST #4425 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Hoplites were heavy infantry, yes, and they were Greek.

Make copies before you give them away!

Okay, I am an obsessive archivist. Not everybody is like that.


Lyra Jane - Mar 26, 2003 2:32:18 pm PST #4426 of 10000
Up with the sun

I have a rec!

Impact, by Silver. It's a time-travel story about Cordelia, set in AtS S1 and S4. Great characterization, Cordy has her snark on, and it has a sniffly-happy ending.