Yes. Men like sports. Men watch the action movie, they eat of the beef, and enjoy to look at the bosoms. A thousand years of avenging our wrongs and that's all you've learned?

Xander ,'End of Days'


Fan Fiction: Writers, Readers, and Enablers  

This thread is for fanfic recs, links, and discussion, but not for actual posting of fanfic.


Lyra Jane - Feb 09, 2003 12:27:44 pm PST #3395 of 10000
Up with the sun

I can't see Angel/Connor any more than I could see Dawn/Buffy, and I have almost the same reaction to Angelus/Connor. Maybe if the fic started with Angelus vamping Connor, but then it's almost like a Spike/Angelus story with even more of an edge of joy in transgression. But that's me, and I'll be interested seeing what Plei does with the idea.

I did like the Darla/Connor ficlet, but I think it worked for me because it started from the premise that Darla didn't know who he or she was, and it's from her viewpoint, plus it's so short that the visceral disgust doesn't have time to set in.

I have no special opinion on canon/noncanon relationships; I read for plot first, writing second, characters third.


erikaj - Feb 09, 2003 1:01:18 pm PST #3396 of 10000
Always Anti-fascist!

I think I agree with Plei.I think you would have to "make more from less".Um, not that my opinion counts very much.


esse - Feb 09, 2003 1:10:48 pm PST #3397 of 10000
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

Sometimes writers put people together because they think "he's cute! and (s)he's cute! Yeah, that'd be hot!" without really giving a damn about good characterisation. Which isn't a particularly good thing, imho. YMMV.

But I do that. I mean, not the characterization thing, but the ooh-pretty thing. That's how my Xander/Wes went, and then the Billy Tallent/Wes thing. Just an urge, and fic in response to that urge.

Hey, Plei, I'm lucid if you maybe wanna do some pinging.


Fay - Feb 09, 2003 1:14:14 pm PST #3398 of 10000
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

without really giving a damn about good characterisation.

This is the key bit, though. I mean, it really is, isn't it? And I did actually think about the Billy Tallent/Wes story as I typed, because I remember you saying that you'd been quite specifically motivated by "ooh, pretty!" and that the character of Billy was chosen out of several possible characters played by the same actor. But once you'd done that, you did concentrate on character.


Dana - Feb 09, 2003 1:15:20 pm PST #3399 of 10000
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

The discussion on BBF makes me want to rip my eyes out.


Fay - Feb 09, 2003 1:16:21 pm PST #3400 of 10000
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

? What discussion is that?

Also - just say no to eye-gauging.


Dana - Feb 09, 2003 1:20:37 pm PST #3401 of 10000
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

The one that Plei dubbed "It's Shipper War Time Yet Again in BBF-Land."


esse - Feb 09, 2003 1:20:39 pm PST #3402 of 10000
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

But once you'd done that, you did concentrate on character.

This is true. I guess I'm just saying, don't knock the ooh-pretty response. Because sometimes it brings good things.

The discussion on BBF makes me want to rip my eyes out.

Do tell. I went to no email as soon as the purring argument began.


Dana - Feb 09, 2003 1:24:52 pm PST #3403 of 10000
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Let's see. It goes something like this.

You people who like B/A are crazy.

No, you people who like B/S are crazy and are just smacking down the B/A people so much we're afraid to rec anything.

No, no, all you het people are crazy and like to smack down slash.

But slash is icky! And non-canonical.

Way more canonical than your crap het recs.

Well, I've got the right to say if I don't like something.

Not unless you have a good reason.

Who decides what's a good reason?

I do. Shut up.

And then the moderators come in and complain because someone, yet again, has forgotten spoiler space.

And yet I keep reading.


Dori - Feb 09, 2003 1:27:04 pm PST #3404 of 10000
Pretty angsty boys make everything better.

Dana, bless you!

That discussion has just been making my head explode, and dammit, do you know how hard brains are to clean off a brick wall?