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Fan Fiction: Writers, Readers, and Enablers  

This thread is for fanfic recs, links, and discussion, but not for actual posting of fanfic.


Fay - Feb 09, 2003 6:31:44 am PST #3377 of 10000
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

waves

Anyone feel like looking at a tiny snippet of Wolverine-centric fic? Given that it may well be pants and/or laced with canonical infelicities?

t /hopeful


Theodosia - Feb 09, 2003 7:31:09 am PST #3378 of 10000
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I'm up for it, Fay!!!


Fay - Feb 09, 2003 7:36:34 am PST #3379 of 10000
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

Oh, bless you. It's not quite slash, but there are elements of slashiness. And it's tiny.


Theodosia - Feb 09, 2003 7:50:56 am PST #3380 of 10000
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I don't care if it's slash or not... I think it's Burrell who is importuning the universe to deliver unto her. Mind you, I don't mind the slash so much, but it's really only Mountie/Detective slash that really floats my boat.


Dori - Feb 09, 2003 7:51:04 am PST #3381 of 10000
Pretty angsty boys make everything better.

Hey, Fay, thanks for the Connor/Wes rec. Yum!

Now, is there more somewhere?

Oh, MAN, this is just frelled...


esse - Feb 09, 2003 9:17:04 am PST #3382 of 10000
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

The Appropriate Time, by Jennifer Osakana, is slightly slashy. Wes and Conner meet and talk.


Dori - Feb 09, 2003 10:26:03 am PST #3383 of 10000
Pretty angsty boys make everything better.

Ooo! Thanks, SA.


esse - Feb 09, 2003 11:01:27 am PST #3384 of 10000
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

Welcome. There's not much out there in the way of Wes/Connor, but I know Plei was thinking on one.


P.M. Marc - Feb 09, 2003 11:02:22 am PST #3385 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

It's Shipper War Time Yet Again in BBF-Land.

I, um, wrote a semi-essay. Which I'm cleaning up and reposting. Because I can.

I'm lax with on-list criticism mainly because I normally wait until someone I know has seconded something before I'll read it (my time, she is limited, so I have a mental filtering system set up for this sort of thing). But, that said, I like to see it. I also don't like the idea of using a word with strong negative implications like blackball. I'm all for unrec. No, it's not an extant word insofar as the dictionary is concerned, but making up words is all part of the beautiful evolution of language, and it suits our needs. So there. And don't MAKE me get all descriptivist on you. (Sorry, prescriptivist grammar extremists, but you are wrong wrong wrong, and time will bear me out. Because it always does. Moohahahaha. Sorry. End Descriptivist Rant.)

Discussion is interesting. I'm increasingly off the opinion (and this has nothing to do with the fact that I tend to prefer writing them) that wildly unconventional 'ships, when done well, tend to have better characterization than most canon 'ship ficcage.

I think part of that is that canon 'ships, there's always more "but, Character X would never do that, look at what happened in Episode Y, when Character Z brought the puppy into the house" to consider. There's so much 'what', that the 'if' is less open to interpretation in the wonderful game of 'what-if' that is writing. At least for me. Obviously, YMMV.

But another part, and this does get into the 'shipper wars, at least a little bit (dipping in a tiny toe, not willing to take an actual factual plunge), is that a lot of what's written in canon 'shipville seems to have, for want of a better term, and for want of an invented term that would serve my purposes, an agenda. People are writing it because they're very invested in the pairing, or the story, and if it's something where what happened on-screen failed to match preconceptions or expectations, they may choose to 'correct' what occurred with versions of their own. And it's very, very easy for that sort of thing to lose sight of the characters in the name of moving the plot along so that the end result is what was desired on screen in the first place. If you're on the same page with regards to the end result, you'll enjoy it more as a reader than if you totally disagree with that take.

Or, to make a long story rather short, conventional or canon relationship involves preconceptions on both the part of the reader and the writer which can and do clash. Unconventional relationships have fewer preconceptions, so the writer will often work harder to sell the pairing.

And, just for the hell of it, a must-read: The Brat Queen's Two-Step Rule.

So, Buffistas, what's your take on canon vs. unconventional? Am I totally smoking the badcrack here?


P.M. Marc - Feb 09, 2003 11:02:52 am PST #3386 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Welcome. There's not much out there in the way of Wes/Connor, but I know Plei was thinking on one.

I was working on one as recently as last night, in fact.