Cripes! Have to mail thing to Fay. Beta thing. Yeah.

Getting on it.

Okay, now for my thoughts WRT FF.net and the NC-17 stuff.

More saddened than angry. It's been hashed over by more articulate folks than myself, of course, so I'm not going into detail. I'm not mad at the site owner for doing what was deemed necessary. I share some of Jenny O's concerns as stated on her LJ. (Specifically, the idea that it's a symptom of a larger problem)

I'm a little cheesed off, however, at some people (not on this board) who rant about the extreme unfairness of it (ranting about free speech the whole time), but don't want to go to the effort of either making their own archive (if they write), or seeking out/supporting the other multifandom archives out there.

Yes, it's a concern. Yes, there are alternatives. No, this isn't the end of the world. Yes, there is a frightful lack of respect for the first amendment in today's United States. However, nowhere in the Bill of Rights does it say "A well regulated NC-17 Friendly Archive, being necessary to the well-being of writers and readers, the right of the people to post and read naughty fanfiction on a private board, shall not be infringed. In fact, if they decide to remove those sections, the reader has been harmed, and his freedom of speech abridged."

No, I make no sense. Hmm.

Point Break, eh?

Hmm. There's a page for it on the Complete Kingdom of Slash, but it's currently down due to archive reorganization.

And then there's Point Break fanfic in German... Rareslash is down... Movieslash doesn't list it...

Well, bugger. What happened to all the infrastructure?

You make perfect sense, PMM. And I'll spare everyone my canned rant on the inapplicability of First Amendment Law to much of the internet.

Fay, let us know if you need XF recs. Between Dana, Micole, Vonnie and me, we can probably cover most of what you're looking for. Your newbie enthusiasm is making me a little nostalgic.

It's the whole 5-hours of sleep in between a total of 18.5 hours of mind-sucking work. Makes me doubt my ability to form actual thoughts.

Speaking of X-Files...

Mr. Lea is going to be in a handful of NYPD Blue episodes this season. I can't decide if I'll watch, but thought I'd let you know.

In fact, I'll give you the quick and dirty. Read everything you can by: Punk M., Plausible Deniability, Jesemie's Evil Twin, Sabine, M. Sebasky, Fialka, Analise, Torch, Jill Selby, Rachel Howard, bugs, Syntax6, wen (if you can find it), CazQ, Magdeleine (yes our own wayward Lena), Wayward, Khyber, Nascent (and her evil twin Dark Nascent), Anjou, Revely, Kelly Keil, Marasmus, MustangSally and RivkaT (together and apart), Vehemently, Jess M., Livia Balaban, Maria Nicole... There's a ton of good writing in XF, and those are just a few of writers of "my" generation, mostly het and gen.

There are a lot of good newer writers I'm not as familiar with, as well, and I never read much of the slash but I know there's a lot of good slash too.

Suela, you pusher you. 'Twixt you and Nutty I'm liable to become very well read very quickly. At least I am next time I have more than a few minutes online. ;o) Thank you.

And I'll spare everyone my canned rant on the inapplicability of First Amendment Law to much of the internet

Let me make it for you. WE ARE NOT IN AMERICA. Your first amendment is meaningless, oh dimwitted shouty people, because your fellow fans are in Canada, Australia, India, Britain, Gibralta, India, Western Europe, Eastern Europe, Japan, China, in fact the rest of the world. Because The USA, splendid though it is in many, many ways, is not the world. And the Internet is not in the USA. [/totally redundant rant which nobody here needs.] Sorry. Yes, it pisses me off too and I did make a comment on Jenny O's journal to that effect.

Well, a lot of people like ff.net for finding NC17's outside their normal fandoms, or for reading the works of new writers who haven't got stuff up at the major archives. Right now there's talk among some of simply doing a mini-Bowdlerization of their NC-17's, listing them as R's, and then providing links to the full smutty story.

Yes, it pisses me off too and I did make a comment on Jenny O's journal to that effect.

Yes, but the site in question is located in the USA, and any legal threats it may or may not have received would have involved US law.

(Edit: I don't know what all the pressures were that lead to the decision, but I imagine there must have been at least something that smacked of potential legal action.)

Cereal:

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If the owner is a US citizen and the site is being run out of the US, then it makes sense to be that US law would apply. The internet is not its own country, so each site would obey the laws of the country it's from. Otherwise, nothing could really be sent because everything is illegal somewhere.

Though now I'm thinking that it'd be worthwhile to find out about running a site from some area not specifically under control, like a bit of Antartica or International waters.