Simon: Captain... why did you come back for us? Mal: You're on my crew. Simon: Yeah, but you don't even like me. Why'd you come back? Mal: You're on my crew. Why we still talking about this?

'Safe'


Buffista Movies 5: Development Hell  

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tiggy - Jun 22, 2007 2:33:50 am PDT #9559 of 10001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

The Two Towers was my favorite of the three.

me too, P-C! Fellowship was my least favorite.


Theodosia - Jun 22, 2007 2:38:37 am PDT #9560 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

P-C, yeah, those are real Civil-War era locomotives, and the train stunts are all done by Keaton. He purchased some train tracks (and a bridge) up in WA, IIRC, so he could destroy the trains at the climax on that RR bridge. In fact, I'm told that the wreckage is still there in the ravine to this day.

But what's important about The General is that it pioneered so many of the action elements that are standard in today's thrilling movies, and did them better. Not to mention that Keaton was so inventive and a really good example of an auteur.

Another example of what Keaton was doing that other filmmakers use was the rather restrained use of title cards. His direction assumed that viewers were smart enough to figure out when somebody on the screen was asking for directions, not needing it to be, literally, spelled out for them.

Check out the short films he did, in particular Sherlock, Jr. and The Cameraman for more examples of why he was such a strikingly genius filmmaker.

Also, you can count the gags that Looney Tunes stole for their cartoons later in the 30s....


Theodosia - Jun 22, 2007 2:44:00 am PDT #9561 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Yeah, I've got a Keaton thing, have had it since I saw Sherlock Jr in a college film class....

Anyway: the falling house facade was a "get it right/one shot" deal. Keaton very very carefully measured out the angles with surveyor's instruments, because even if it was a fake facade falling, it still weighed considerable and could have easily killed him -- and then to stand there, ACTING, as it fell.

I don't think we've seen a action star of his caliber until Jackie Chan came along.


Frankenbuddha - Jun 22, 2007 2:47:04 am PDT #9562 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I don't think we've seen a action star of his caliber until Jackie Chan came along.

And at least Jackie gets to have facial expressions. Keaton's deadpan is a thing of wonder. I think Jackie may have broken more of his bones, though.


Theodosia - Jun 22, 2007 3:05:28 am PDT #9563 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

What's really cool about Keaton's acting is that he'd been onstage with vaudeville since he was a small child, and vaudeville acting is all about the broad gesture and loud declamation, not at all subtle. But in a very short time, he took to the way-more intimate acting to a movie camera, and took on a stoneface aspect that is actually very expressive. It's a whole 'less is more' approach, which renders his persona still easily appreciated by modern audiences, whereas the contemporary theatrically-influenced acting of the 20s put on film really takes some getting used to.

OK, I think I've used up my allotment of Buster-fangirlish glee for the day....


§ ita § - Jun 22, 2007 5:18:02 am PDT #9564 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

To tie them together, Jackie Chan did a stunt like the falling facade one in homage to Keaton.


Polter-Cow - Jun 22, 2007 5:26:55 am PDT #9565 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

me too, P-C! Fellowship was my least favorite.

I think that's mine too!

In fact, I'm told that the wreckage is still there in the ravine to this day.

I think they were there until WWII.

But in a very short time, he took to the way-more intimate acting to a movie camera, and took on a stoneface aspect that is actually very expressive.

Heh. One thing I noticed was that were no close-ups. But that was a 1927 thing. As for the acting, I guess I was also surprised that it wasn't broader throughout. With the exception of one scene in the beginning, no one did that hilariously over-the-top stuff you see in the older silent films and silent film parodies.


JZ - Jun 22, 2007 5:30:26 am PDT #9566 of 10001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

When Hec gets up, I'm going to send him in to tell the story of the secret shame of Buster Keaton that almost ruined an entire movie, 'cause he tells it better than me. But it's very funny and cool, and it says a great deal about him as a proto-action star.


Polter-Cow - Jun 22, 2007 5:38:15 am PDT #9567 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Oh dear. I don't even know where to start.

Uh oh. I didn't mean to denigrate the film in any way. I'm just saying that while it's clearly a great movie, for 1927, the greatness is generally in the filmmaking, and not in the story or characters or anything. It's not emotionally affecting (besides the fact that it sure feels weird to be rooting for the Confederates), but it's fun.


bon bon - Jun 22, 2007 5:38:35 am PDT #9568 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Me too! Yay. And I think I remember that we both hated Raising Arizona. We're kindred spirits!

Totally! Raising Arizona is ridiculously overpraised!

::high five::