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Buffista Movies 5: Development Hell  

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Frankenbuddha - Jun 11, 2007 9:59:14 am PDT #9070 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I say it's glut/cyclical. Horror movies of one type or another cycle through every decade, it seems. We've already had the "torture" cycle and the "J-horror" cycle, pretty much simultaneously (though I think the latter pre-dated, burned and in some ways initiated the former in that the extreme cycle has been in reaction to the PG-13 cycle) in the 'oughts.

Of course, we're rank amateurs compared to the Italians and Hong Kong for taking a trend and glutting the hell out of it.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 11, 2007 10:16:47 am PDT #9071 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I'm hoping that more studios will take note of the success of films like Waitress, and start funding more smaller-budget, well-written romantic comedies and light dramas for summer release.

You'd think the movie making its first $10 million from only a handful of theaters might make them want to. Plus, it looks like it cost maybe a half million to make. But I definitely think this sort of quality is lightning in a bottle—we could just get a rash of soulless Wedding Planner type movies if the studios decide it's a trend they want to milk.


Strega - Jun 11, 2007 11:21:05 am PDT #9072 of 10001

That's a strange article. There certainly are cycles to genres, but I don't know if I buy the examples he's using.

28 Days Later made $10 million in its opening weekend. 28 Weeks Later made... $9.8 million. I'm sure they hoped it would do better, but that's not exactly a shocking decline, especially when there were 4 years between the two movies.

Hostel came out in the dead zone of January. A year later, they gambled and released the sequel against summer blockbusters. They lost.

Whereas Saw and its sequels all came out in late October. So did The Ring, and The Grudge, and the Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake, and some other horror movies that made a lot of money because, hello, it's October. If the next Saw does badly, I'd be more convinced that there's been a real change in what audiences want to see. Disturbia's PG13, and I think more suspense/horror, but it's still going strong after 2 months.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 11, 2007 1:15:59 pm PDT #9073 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I know that freaky J-horror inspired Messengers movie has an entire wall of rented-out empty boxes at my local chain video store. That doesn't say the genre is falling out of favor to me.


Sean K - Jun 11, 2007 1:18:18 pm PDT #9074 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

"J-horror"?

Japanese horror?


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 11, 2007 1:19:50 pm PDT #9075 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Yes, specifically the ghost-themed scarefests relying on suspense rather than scaly monsters that have been coming out of Japan since Ringu.


Kathy A - Jun 11, 2007 2:01:24 pm PDT #9076 of 10001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Looks like ABC will be showing the first three Harry Potter films from 7/6-7/8, and during the breaks will be showing little tidbits from OotP. They'll most likely be online at the main HP websites (Mugglenet, Leaky Cauldron, etc.) soon afterwards.


Laga - Jun 11, 2007 2:41:39 pm PDT #9077 of 10001
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

My final word on Hostel part II is that it was a good movie I'd rather not have seen.


Frankenbuddha - Jun 11, 2007 2:59:19 pm PDT #9078 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Yes, specifically the ghost-themed scarefests relying on suspense rather than scaly monsters that have been coming out of Japan since Ringu.

More specifically, the American remake cycle of same that THE RING (as opposed to RINGU) made so profitable.

As for the rows of empty rented-out boxes means people are probably saying "I can wait for home viewing" since I don't think MESSANGERS did all that well the box office (apart from maybe the first week). That's a whole other discussion there (the wait for DVD phenom).


Kate P. - Jun 11, 2007 4:35:49 pm PDT #9079 of 10001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Just saw Waitress and really enjoyed it. Both Keri Russell and Nathan Fillion (yum!) were fantastic, of course, and Adrienne Shelly was just luminous. I loved every scene with Jenna's waitress friends, from "Earl, we just think your hair is super-attractive!" to their sweet little made-up song about Jenna's baby. The one thing that I wasn't sure about was Earl, who seemed a little too one-dimensional to me. At least, I'd like to believe the character was a stereotype rather than a realistic portrayal; he was so childish and irrational and quick to anger, it made my skin crawl to watch him. The moment when Jenna tells him, calmly and firmly, to get out of her life for good, was triumphant, a great scene.

And ITA with Matt's comments above: I wanted Jenna and Dr. Pomitter to be together, but I was also happy, in the end, that Jenna broke off the affair because of his wife. It made me sad, because it was clear that they had a real connection (I mean, she called him her best friend!) and I wanted those crazy kids to make it work. But I also think one theme of the movie was about choosing the kind of person you want to be, and I like that Jenna chose to be the kind of person who wouldn't ruin someone else's marriage. Though I do wonder about why Dr. Pomitter's marriage -- why did he get involved with Jenna, was he happy in his marriage, and if not, was he going to break it off anyway? I would have liked to see more of a resolution to that storyline, but in the end, it wasn't his story; the movie belonged to Jenna and Lulu.

Now I think I want some pie.