Bye, now. Have good sex.

Kaylee ,'Jaynestown'


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Ailleann - Jun 11, 2007 5:52:05 am PDT #9062 of 10001
vanguard of the socialist Hollywood liberal homosexualist agenda

Does it have anything to do with it sucking?

Um.... maybe?

The short version, I guess, is... 11 is a 50's Rat-Packian heist movie, and 12 is an early 60's European heist movie. Which, you know, slightly more surreal and maybe not as popular.

Note: this theory is not even a quarter baked, and probably makes no sense outside of my own head.


Kevin - Jun 11, 2007 9:32:24 am PDT #9063 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

I'm puzzled at the use of excitement to describe PotC. (I figured out how much money I owed whilst watching it. Which was quite scary on many levels). Although only puzzled as it doesn't fit what I saw in my world.

Saw - I don't think the leg saw thing is actually shown, although it depends on your view of censorship and such. I'd forgotten about the dead body in the room, amusingly.


brenda m - Jun 11, 2007 9:33:33 am PDT #9064 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Not really, not in the tv version anyway. Though there was a good shot of a woman pawing through some poor guy's guts looking for a key.


§ ita § - Jun 11, 2007 9:35:32 am PDT #9065 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm puzzled at the use of excitement to describe PotC.

All of them, or just the third?

I wasn't excited during O13. It was "Hey! Those guys! I like them. They're cool. Doing cool things again? Oh, I sure hope it turns out well." But not an action movie.

PotC 3 had fight scenes, which always help, and they were better integrated into the narrative than #2, which helps even more.

Even though I was pretty sure who'd make it out whole and who wouldn't, it asked my eye to track around the screen and I felt rewarded for the efforts besides.


Kevin - Jun 11, 2007 9:37:00 am PDT #9066 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Nice.

I see Hostel 2 didn't perform nearly as well as the first at the box office. Although still well enough for another sequel if they want one.

ETA: ita, I thought PotC 1 was great fun. 2 was a bit of the same reaction you had to Ocean's I think. 3 just lost me for half hour periods a few times.


Jesse - Jun 11, 2007 9:42:48 am PDT #9067 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Box Office for Horror Movies is Weak


Kathy A - Jun 11, 2007 9:53:04 am PDT #9068 of 10001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

That's what happens when you flood the market--demand goes down.

I'm hoping that more studios will take note of the success of films like Waitress, and start funding more smaller-budget, well-written romantic comedies and light dramas for summer release.


Fred Pete - Jun 11, 2007 9:54:17 am PDT #9069 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.

Interesting article, Jesse. Anybody have thoughts on the reasons?

It isn't unusual for genres to go through cycles (look at the romantic comedy glut of a few years ago). Is it that? Perhaps fueled by the classic instance where everybody copies an unexpected success without bothering to add the quality that caused the success in the first place?

Or have horror movies set the gore level higher than the audience will stomach?

Or is life so stressful these days that horror movies remind people of the stresses rather than cause a catharsis? Or (thinking of the "radiation creates big creatures that go on rampages" movies of the '50s) are horror movies creating catharsis for the wrong stresses?

I'm not much of a horror movie fan, especially where gore is involved. But it's an interesting question.


Frankenbuddha - Jun 11, 2007 9:59:14 am PDT #9070 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I say it's glut/cyclical. Horror movies of one type or another cycle through every decade, it seems. We've already had the "torture" cycle and the "J-horror" cycle, pretty much simultaneously (though I think the latter pre-dated, burned and in some ways initiated the former in that the extreme cycle has been in reaction to the PG-13 cycle) in the 'oughts.

Of course, we're rank amateurs compared to the Italians and Hong Kong for taking a trend and glutting the hell out of it.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 11, 2007 10:16:47 am PDT #9071 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I'm hoping that more studios will take note of the success of films like Waitress, and start funding more smaller-budget, well-written romantic comedies and light dramas for summer release.

You'd think the movie making its first $10 million from only a handful of theaters might make them want to. Plus, it looks like it cost maybe a half million to make. But I definitely think this sort of quality is lightning in a bottle—we could just get a rash of soulless Wedding Planner type movies if the studios decide it's a trend they want to milk.